Crossdressers Overload!

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Nature Gal (SO) wrote: Thank you, and that's what I'm trying to do, be a supportive partner and confidant. :)
And I think that in the majority of cases that is all that we as crossdressers are asking for.

At least my philosophy is that I want nothing about my crossdressing to ever bring shame or humiliation to my wife.
If I may quote from a post in my bog:
Remember also that your admittance in that great club called "Girl", is a privilege. You weren't born into it, but rather borne into it, transported from your maleness into a world of dresses and lace. One of the worst things you can do is try to out-girl your wife. Your crossdressing is to be shared as equals, not as a competition. To make it such is very wrong.
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This is well said, but I do disagree that it is to be shared as equals. I need my husband; for it to be equal means losing the man I love and married. It is not just about "out girling" with your wife - it is about a balance that she is comfortable with, it goes beyond shame and humiliation.

Your wife needs to know that no matter what, her crossdressing husband never lets her forget SHE is the most feminine one, the woman of the house. For me that can't happen if the crossdressing is viewed as equal. I am sorry but my husband will never be my equal in that aspect, and I am thankful for that.


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StormyDixon (SO) wrote:This is well said, but I do disagree that it is to be shared as equals.
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I am sorry but my husband will never be my equal in that aspect, and I am thankful for that.
Stormy Dixon, we are on the same page, and my thoughts are exactly the same -- my words may not have expressed that, however.

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Stormy, you wrote in part: "...for it to be equal means losing the man I love and married. ..."

Does it really mean losing the man you love and married, or is it truly meeting the man you love and married, or does it mean meeting the man whom you love with all of his wrinkles, scratches, scars, faults and a need to be accepted for who and what he is?

Or, does it mean that you must step away from a fairytale image of what men are to find out that men are just as frail and needy as women are?

Or, does it mean that you are discovering just how much trust the man you love and married has in you his wife to reveal this part of himself?

We live in a crazy world with "ideals" that were given to us by those who went before us. Are these ideals worthy to cling to rather that the reality of who and what we are?

These questions are not for you, they are the questions that run through my own my in my relationship with my wife. And I just felt like writing them down to see if anyone else has these questioning thoughts about themselves or those with whom they married.

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This is very insightful CE, such a thorough perspective.
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Carol Elizabeth wrote:Or, does it mean that you must step away from a fairytale image of what men are to find out that men are just as frail and needy as women are?
i do not consider myself or any other woman frail or needy
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I did not lose any bit of the man I married, I gained more that I thought could ever happen. He's still the guy that fixes things and does the hard house or yard chores. Sometimes I say that I have a girlfriend too. It's more than that.
Before his coming out, there was a kind of fence he maintained. Getting up early to watch a Royal Wedding, enjoying a home with fresh Spring flowers, watching shows on the Hallmark channel. These are things that women might enjoy, but he couldn't do so as the manly man.

We now share a greater emotional intimacy without losing a bit of his masculinity. He hasn't softened a bit, but he is more comfortable sharing some things I enjoy now that the fence is down.

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i do not consider myself or any other woman frail or needy
LOL Stormy, Neither do I!!! I'm sure CE didn't mean that the way it came out. Right?
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Hi,

I have been to quite a few meetings with dressers and trans people over the last 12 years at some with numbers about 80 so i,v seen many and how they dress , we have a few groups over in Austraila who i know and have met a few times at major do,s ,

Here in and around where i live there is nothing that would be as good as you have talked about and the way its run sounds quite good , i have helped a few men = dresser,s in a number of ways so if they wont to do it in a nice way your group has got it together .

A comment you brought up was about is your or others husband gay ., on our big forum of 27,000 manly men out of 100 were asked who is gay 80 answered yes those who hid it quite a few and others who hid it from their wifes and went out with men quite a few , i was surprised ,

for my self i was put in a position of being cohurst to go to bed with a dresser he was too over the top and push,e so i told him back off, im not interested at all 2nd time i was ready to floor him and told him so , did he think i was gay a male or i dont know i told him im a female born so i left shortly after i was not a lone there was another women female born so we left , she was shocked at his behavour as i was ,

so now im weary of and you can quess why of dressers , so now i dont have any thing to do with them because what i see its a sexual detail im not prepared to have to worry about or put up with sad yet true , some use dressing as a means to sex,

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Noeleena wrote: on our big forum of 27,000 manly men out of 100 were asked who is gay 80 answered yes those who hid it quite a few and others who hid it from their wifes and went out with men quite a few , i was surprised...noeleena...
That percentage is quite shocking and also quite contrary to what I have read. I do hope that it is not representative of the majority of Crossdressers. I think it would be difficult to get a true number because so many CDers hide it from just about everyone. They are not out or attending social gatherings so they would not be approached to take a poll. However, in the future that may be more possible, due to the internet and sites like this one where they can at least socialize on line with others who are like them.
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Eileen wrote:
We now share a greater emotional intimacy without losing a bit of his masculinity. He hasn't softened a bit, but he is more comfortable sharing some things I enjoy now that the fence is down.
That brought tears to my eyes, Eileen. I have said on here before: keeping a secret is not a passive activity. It takes energy to keep a secret, and when a man is 25, he doesn't notice the 'tax' he's paying quite so much. By about age 40, he's really aware that he needs all the energy he can get, and he begins to look around at any baggage he's carrying. My personal experience was that this need came up suddenly for me, and at 49 I could instantly see that I couldn't afford the luxury of keeping the secret--it was that simple. I'm still in good shape and work hard, but the type of energy needed to stuff this down was just not there, and I could see it clearly. It was cut-and-dried, like an economic decision. I couldn't afford to keep it a secret, so I had to start preparing to live it out.

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i do not consider myself or any other woman frail or needy

LOL Stormy, Neither do I!!! I'm sure CE didn't mean that the way it came out. Right?
My take on this is that CE might have been referring to the idea that women can more readily acknowledge that they're feeling frail or needy, if they choose to do so. For most men in most situations, it's not an option to acknowledge these feelings; it's almost like there's no choice at all in the matter.
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I guess, I kind of get lost with the "lose the man I married......" Couples communication is totally necessary. I can understand how a GG would have concerns that her man was going to have, can I say, "body alterations," but I guess every woman (wife) who is somewhat accepting feels the necessity to drawing a line in the sand as to ???? How often their spouse dresses or what if any alterations they "can live with," from pierced ears to getting their nails done, to eye brow plucking to shaving various parts of their body? If they, as a couple, go out among " the great unwashed," how often they do that and of course the area that is not usually up for discussion, the bed room!!!!! But even when dressed, holding hands, hugging, kissing. Do GG's feel like a lesbian? I have no doubt it is a tough "row to hoe" for GG's.

I can say that in the summer, I love to put on a bikini when I cut the grass or do other work in the yard or on the house. Just an example. Painted toenails is another.

Well, probably not well expressed but I guess the bottom line is each GG who is in this type of relationship has drawn their own line in the sand as to how far and what is accepable and what is not!

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Nature Gal (SO) wrote:
Noeleena wrote: on our big forum of 27,000 manly men out of 100 were asked who is gay 80 answered yes those who hid it quite a few and others who hid it from their wifes and went out with men quite a few , i was surprised...noeleena...
That percentage is quite shocking and also quite contrary to what I have read. I do hope that it is not representative of the majority of Crossdressers.
When I was reading Noeleena's thing my thought was this might have been an effect of that particular group of people. There are self-selecting communities out there where, kind of, like attracts like - and makes the rest feel unwelcome - just in terms of the mood of the group. The sexual aggressive thing would be particularly something that would drive people off - like it did Noeleena here.
I think it would be difficult to get a true number because so many CDers hide it from just about everyone. They are not out or attending social gatherings so they would not be approached to take a poll. However, in the future that may be more possible, due to the internet and sites like this one where they can at least socialize on line with others who are like them.
Right, I think that's correct - about not really being able to know the true numbers because of the social stigma attached to CDing. Nevertheless, I have the impression that what you say, that CDs are by and large heterosexual, is true.
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Noeleena wrote:so now im weary of and you can quess why of dressers , so now i dont have any thing to do with them because what i see its a sexual detail im not prepared to have to worry about or put up with sad yet true , some use dressing as a means to sex,
I empathize with you Noeleena. Harassment is not acceptable, period.

Here’s my take on it: A person’s sexual orientation is one thing, but their character is another. There is a diverse population of CDs, and to put it simply; the nature of a genetic male dressing as a female includes many whose solitary purpose is that of a sexual means. When I began exposing myself to the cross dressing community as a whole I quickly found that there are many wonderful individuals that share my lifestyle (habit, desire, hobby, need, emotional state… whatever you’d like to refer to cross dressing as) as well as those with a deviant or selfish purpose. Like any other group (classification), there are the good and bad.

I’m not a prude, nor am I easily offended. I have always been sexually open, and I do have a lot of experience on the subject, lol. BUT, my next statement has the potential to overturn a few apple carts.

The cyber world is vast, and there are plenty of porn sites available for those who wish to entertain their lascivious needs. I personally opted to join this forum because it is geared toward CDs and their spouses/SOs. The posts here are very gentle in comparison to some of the other stuff I’ve found, and that alone makes it comfortable for me to participate. I opt to avoid threads that have a carnal orientation. Not because I’m offended, rather because I wish to endorse and promote a more publically acceptable image of a cross dresser. I dress because it fulfills a clear connection to a feminine side within, and being able to exploit that by means of physically expressing myself as a woman brings a sense of content. Simple as that, but so very hard to put into words. That being said, I’ve also found there are many public opportunities for the cross dresser. You may not have them in your area, or have the means to travel to such events, but they do exist. With a little research I’ve found what events cater to what type of crowd so with a little preparation I’m hoping to avoid some discomfort. However, being a realist I realize that I’ll always run the risk of being judged, squawked at, or harassed. It’s a result of human nature. But that isn’t going to deter me from wearing a dress and makeup when I want to feel pretty just as I’m not deterred from wearing my rugged clothes while I’m playing in the dirt, riding my motorcycle, etc. That is who I am too.

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Right? Yes, Right!

By frail - I was referring to the need to be loved unconditionally. When people feel unloved, they often make bad or even violent choices just to feel something.

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