In the Military

[DonnaT]

An interesting read at:

http://www.sldn.org/templates/get/recor ... record=726

[TamaraSegunda]

Thanks Donna! I've been out of the military for many years, and it's always kind of nice to be reminded of what a good decision I made NOT to make it a career. Here's my favorite line from the link you posted:
" In some of the regulations, transvestitism is considered to be
misconduct/sexual perversion/ sexual deviation that subjects the member to potential UCMJ action and subsequent discharge."

The military, reflecting the most "moral" segment of our culture, is SO enlightened.
.......Tamara Segunda (pervert, deviate, take your pick)

[Kerri]

Hi,

It only goes to prove that the USA has a long way to go in addressing human rights.

In the British Armed Forces today, it is not uncommon for Commisioned and Non Commissioned ranks to be in transition or post operative MtoF or vicaversa.

It has not always been so but since the passing of the European Bill of Human Rights all such barriers to equality have been removed.

Please do not read this as an attack on the US, but merely a statement of fact.

There are circumstances however that no amount of legislation can prevent malicious gossip or name-calling and in those circumstances Gays and TGs are given a free discharge.

I served for 21 years in the RAF. In my day if caught you faced months of Electro Convulsive Avertion Therapy followed by dishonourable discharge.
Lucky for me when I was caught, I was not reported. But I still endured years of name-calling.

They were mostly good times though.

Kerri

[DonnaT]

Thanks Donna! I've been out of the military for many years, and it's always kind of nice to be reminded of what a good decision I made NOT to make it a career.

Me too. Was offered an appointment to West Point but turned it down. Knew I wasn't going to be in for the long haul. Just wanted the benifits to go to college.

"West Point is a college!" said my dad angerly.

"Too rigid," I replied.

[Kerri]

Are US military doctors not bound by the same moral code as civvy doctors?

All I can say is I am so glad I did my service in the Royal Air Force.
What information I shared with my MO went no further.

Maybe the difference is that in the Uk the Military Doctors are really civilains paid by the British Medical Council, and they hold an honorary rank, only.

I still recall my days on various USAF bases with fond memories.
I had my fair share of romances with Uncle Sam's girls.
The beer was good and the club sandwiches were worth dying for.

Kerri

[Virginia]

Wow! Donna, very impressive, I am impressed - Appointment ot West Point! Very nice!!!!
I took some initial astronaut training during my flight training while stationed at Pensacola and the Drs. told me that anything that did not meet astronaut qualification and were related to flying would not go into my records, needless to say unless it would be of sufficiant concern to endanger my life or my fellow pilots. Since then I have not seen any of my flight tests show up in my civilian records.
Virginia

[Chrissy]

I was also in the military for 20 years and retired. Now im out and miss the friends but not the lifestyle. I can now be the me I always thought i was but couldnt express.

[Nick]

Yeah... well... I plan on calling myself out after this deployment. Things happen a bit more quitely while on reserve duty than they do while on active duty. I can take a year in Iraq (but after that, I'm getting out so that I can figure out who I am).

edit: What is the UCMJ punishment for Fraudulent Enlistment (under circumstances like ours)?

[Chrissy]

I would think that if you went to medical/admin and described your situation (crossdressing) you would get a administrative discharge, but I dont know for sure. I don't belive that there would be a penalty under the UCMJ other than an eventual discharge. Maybe make a couple of anonymous calls to differnt sources to find out what they say. Good luck and thanks for being "on watch" for the rest of us.

[Nick]

I'll be sure and make those call when I can (I don't know when I would be able to while I'm in Iraq, though). I think that I could prolly lookit up via my military email... I should try that sometime.

[Chrissy]

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

This seems to have all the articles of the ucmj. Hope this helps.

If I can be of any help let me know

Chrissy

[Lawren]

They do not mix well.

That's right ladies, they caught me. Take a lesson, this could happen to you.

This happened in 1983 so the UCMJ may have changed but I doubt that it has changed significantly.

I think I was fortunate that I the only fem item I was wearing was pantyhose and that I was quite drunk so they more or less let me get away with the "I got curious" excuse. Even so, I was arrested, taken to the hospital for blood alcohol test and to have a doctor confirm that I was wearing pantyhose. I was ordered to get a psychological exam which, as it turned out, was to continue on as counseling for the remainder of my enlistment. About 1 1/2 years. It was determined that the root cause of my behaviour was depressin so the CDing issue was put aside but I was sent to group therapy. The CDng issue never came up again. However, when I came up for re-enlistment I was denied.Their reason was that I had an ongoing alcohol problem but I can't help but believe that the "incident" was a deciding factor in that denial. (The military never forgets your mistakes!) If so, it ultimately cost me my career.

The moral of the story is: If you are Cding and in the military, be VERY careful. Getting caught could cost you dearly.

Lawren

[Gelinda]

Hi All

Well I did my time and was in Nam and the whole 9 yards. I am glad it worked out as it did and I did not stay in. I was in the reserves for a while but it kept getting in my way with work so I talked to the CO and got out because of Job Problems. I have always been on call 24/7 and it was getting harder to get out of being on call.

Gelinda.