outed at the apartment

[KimberlyS]

Well if I was not outed at the apartment before I should be now. I am sitting here chatting and doing some work and this gal walks slowly by the front window looking in and then knocks at the door. I am sitting at the table in full view, crop satin pj bottoms, trouser socks, tee, bra and 40ddds. I think quickly should I pull my forms, but she has already seen me so just choose to answer the door. She is in her PJ's and locked out of her apartment and she must be sporting 36-38 better than triple d's herself and no bra. Wants to borrow a phone book and phone. I tell her she can come in but she is hesitant to do that. Guess I am scaring another one. I can tell she is questioning my chest as I also have not shaved yet today and have my furry arms. Talk about mixed views. Plus fishing rod and tackle just inside the door and laundry drying on a rack just beyond that with several sport tank tops with shelf bras hanging out and drying mixed with some male under wear and other clothes. She got a hold of her BF who is coming to let her in.

So if I am not the talk of the apartment complex yet I may be shortly. I have run into some others with my b's in but they are not as noticeable. And I have been in and out of the the apartment to the car multiple times in full femme. But in full femme if they are not really looking just a different person leaving the apartment using the car. Guess will see what happens.

kimberlys cd
joe in a skirt

[Rikki]

Keeping life interesting, Joe!!!! Never know, might spur her curiosity and you might gain a new friend!

All the best,
Rikki

[Kimberly Kael]

Goodness, that's quite the definitive outing. There's no question she has some idea of what's going on but probably less than you'd expect. I do hope it doesn't become an issue in your complex. Have you considered talking to her? Part of the challenge for others is not really having any idea of why we dress or what it means to us, which leaves it up to their imagination. That's rarely a good thing. Letting her know that you're comfortable talking about it can take a lot of the tension out of an encounter, in part because I think unconsciously everyone knows that repression or going to extremes to hide something about yourself is more of a warning sign than just being a little out of the ordinary.

[KimberlyS]

Well this is the first and only time I have seen this gal and do not even know which apartment her and her BF live in. I will keep an eye out for them and try and have a conversation with them. I am not really worried about it becoming an issue here as it is mostly college students.

... Part of the challenge for others is not really having any idea of why we dress or what it means to us, which knaves it up to their imagination. That's rarely a good thing.

Kim I agree with you on not having any idea and the imagination running wild. IMHO that is my wife with my CDing and many other things in our marriage. Can not work through things if they are not talked about.

Will see what happens with time.

[Virginia]

Well, Hon, guess by now you know my attitude, and when you mentioned that she is "living in sin" and is a college student? That right there tells me she does not actually sign you paycheck.

Actually, from what I read, hear and do, college students are mostly very tolerant of "things out of the ordinary." Well most anyway, listen to me, I live 30 miles from Liberty University or as some call it Jerry Falwell's parallel universe university.

I would not go out of my way to raise the issue with her even if you saw her. Her BF may be some type of an over-wound redneck. However, if the situation does present itself we can always use good ambassadors!

Good luck, don't sweat it and you know the old saying, "when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping!"

Virginia

[KimberlyS]

Guess the conversation I would have with them would be just general friendly and feel them out first. Redneck BF or similar there would be no CDing topic brought up by me. If they are an open minded couple maybe. If they bring it up I am always willing to talk and inform people. Step one is which door are they behind.

I am not too worried about things otherwise I would not have answered the door that way. As it has been said college kids do tend to be more open minded and general accepting of others.

[DanteCarrie (FTM)]

Well she probably didn't want to come in as very few people especially young people in this day and age think it wise to just go into a strangers home after all you could be a serial killer if anything seeing you as a CD probably makes her more at ease slightly about being invited in as you are slightly less likely to be a serial killer satistically unless she has watched silence of the lambs recently LOL but in any case i doubt her not wanting to come in is a case to do with you being en femme then I mean the kid was locked out of her flat and probably embarrassed standing their in her pjs anyway and she doesn't know you so I wouldn't assume too much into that.
Also why do you owe her a 'conversation' you want to make more mates around the complex then friendly casual chats to anyone are a why not but if you are truly ok within yourself about who you are then why do you owe random strangers any explanations about what you do. you are just a normal human being doing what the hell you want and why not for all you know shes a rampant S&M addict or something and owes no one her explanation either. Not knowing why we CD in akin to me not knowing why chicks dye themselves orange but i don't go around demanding explanations nor should they give them any despite how much them look like those little men form charlie and the chocolate factory LOL.
Point being its much cooler to just 'be' and assume yourself to be 100% average and if no one brings it up why question your total and complete regularness in fact if anyone asks why do you dress like a chick you should answer that you are just wearing clothes that you like and why are they dressed like a boring slag. that would be funny if possibly get you punched but you shouldn't have to feel like you owe anyone anything. you dress up cas you want to end of.
LOL i think most people are living in sin these days it isn't even sin more sensible before marriage to find out if someone is a douche besides most of us are atheists now. I am soon to live in sin with my lover though we technically stay over at my house pretty much half of the week now anyways.
Anyway even if you weren't fully dressed I'm sure you looked sexy and college students aren't always liberal. remember alot of them have only just finished being school kids who are not known to be liberal and are inexperienced. yes university changes you and makes alot of people more liberal because of the vast influx of people form all walks of life but university is so big plenty of them remain oblivious twats I've met them. but you meet a higher percentage of liberal ones than anywhere else doesn't mean there aren't still hundreds of morons. LGBT society=liberal islam society = not so liberal lol.
but anyway chill who cares who knows you don't need to be secretive you are fine the way you are and your forms probably gave you perkier tits than that girl had anyway take pride in that.

[Kimberly Kael]

While I agree that nobody owes anyone else an explanation, I do think that by choosing to avoid the subject we create barriers where there could be connections. That's part of the curse of the closet, and something I was very conscious of before I finally outed myself. Even now, though, I agree that diving into conversations about gender theory, practice, or politics with other people is neither helpful nor necessary. What is important is that people we interact with see us as comfortable and easy-going instead of being defensive and secretive.

I think that looks more like joking about being in your jammies than blurting out how much you like dresses. There's a fine line but I think being isolated isn't actually an improvement over risking disapproval. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

(Incidentally, nice typo in my original message as quoted by KimS. "Knaves" isn't all that close to leaves, but the auto-correction comes up with some interesting replacements when I'm not watching closely.)

[Virginia]

Hi Kim,

Yes!!!!!!! do keep an eye on that "auto-correction!"

The things I have seen it do, well, Stephen King could not write!

Before I took mine out and shot it several times at close range with a high caliber hand gun, it had the audasity to critique what I was wearing to a party!

Love ya,

Virginia

[Kandis]

Interesting situation, I have actually had a very similar experience in the past. I was alone in the house after my 3rd wife left me. I was on the phone with my fiancee' who lived in CA when there is a knock on the door. Well, there is a woman there in her mid 20's (next door neighbor's wife), and she is at the door and she is at the right height to be looking in through the glass window without really trying. I am sitting on my couch in nothing but a bra and panties with my forms in, I holler out just a minute and "sneak" by the door and head to the bed room to put on some jeans and remove my bra and throw on a t-shirt. I open the door and invite her in, she's been my neighbor for a while and she was scared really bad so she came right in. Apparently she and her husband had a fight and she claims he shot his gun in the house (I did not hear any gun shots). ANYWAY, after she calms down a bit she says "Were you wearing a bra when I came to the door"? Well, the cat is out of the proverbial bag now right? SO I come clean with her and explain yes, I was, and that I am a crossdresser and often times will dress as a woman around the house and sometimes go out in public. She was all cool with it and I'm sure she and I would have become great friends if she hadn't split from her husband and took off with another guy. LOL.

[DanteCarrie (FTM)]

Indeed I agree Kimberly that one should not be closeted. but i don't think one needs to be closeted or feel like they owe anyone some sort of justification for the way they are as if they are doing something weird. thats kind of closeted too i think the best way is to be ones self and don't feel like you have to cover up or avoid being seen en femme. just be out be yourself and act as if its one hundred percent normal. if people ask why you do as i say they should be the ones treated as if they are being rude and illogical of course if someone brings it up n a subtle polite way by complimenting ones clothes or making a lighthearted joke or comments with interest on crossdressing then of course its would be a decent thing to chat about but if one says why do you wear womens clothes well they may be nice people but acting like a bit of a backwards retard at that moment and deserve a little cynical tongued mocking and no explanations LOL

[Bernice]

I'll never be a politician or diplomat. "Why do I wear women's clothes?" someone may ask me?

I would answer: Well, it's generally illegal to go out in public in the nude, and also too cold in the wintertime. Clothes also prevent my skin from sticking to chairs and whatnot, and this is more sanitary than going naked. My pumps/heels keep broken glass and other hazards from injuring my feet.

Hugs,

Bernice