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Hello Christina.

Your thoughtful and sensitive response to my earlier post is very deeply appreciated CJ. I really feel like I owe you an apology though, as when I started, it was not about me at all but more just to relay some information of dubious use to you from a TS forum about coming out slow or coming out fast. My point was there, buried in the rush of my own insecurities and worries. I thought it might have some pertinence since the concerns on coming out tend to be the same: possible discrimination in the work place, physical violence and ostracism from the society of one's collegues.

Four out of five of the TSs suggested that the gradual change from full male expression to an androgenous, to a feminine male presentation and finally to a female presentation, was not too practical. Small physical changes to express your femininity (growing your hair out, longer fingernails with clear polish), obviously underdressing and mixing male and female clothing are all things they did not recommend as effective early stages strategy (and are in part what I have been doing to keep my spirits up and feel like something is happening), and are things that some CDs on the CDDF described recently doing as part of their daily lives.

Rather, they recommend developing a plan, bringing your hrm (Human Resources Management) office in on the plan so that any needed special arrangements can be made, and setting a date for a complete transition (usually after a weeks vacation) on the job for a TS. Keep in mind, the ultimate objectives are different, the extent of physical changes would be different (ie, with hormones and youth, there can come a time when you really can't hide breast development, body fat shifts, smoother skin, etc. as a TS), but the concerns about safety and acceptance would be the same. I'm not sure if going through your hrm would be necessary or desired, since your level of coming out is more designed to prevent any accidental exposure, I think, than it is to provide for permanent changes at the workplace. Anyway CJ, maybe not too pertinent to your situation, but this is what I was starting with this morning. :)

As to your responses to my post, I know the direction my life must take, its just that I'm still dealing with counting the cost. And I don't mean the financial. I have planned how to finance transition without leaving me penniless, though it will leave me in different financial circumstances with a need to supplement retirement for a time. The main cost will come in social and familial arenas, and yes, I am afraid I do know some of them all too well. Two of my blood relatives work for an evangelical based radio station as program developer/director and a DJ, with preaching and "soft Christian rock" as it's stock in programming Another cousin two years my junior is a Southern Baptist preacher, with whom you do not have dinner, but "break bread" with instead. He is the one that would consider my GID a punisment or a trial to be persevered through and triumphed over, a test by God to prove my worth to enter heaven. His own trials include one son imprisoned for the very inept robbery of a bank and drugs, and another that finally straightened out after his third marriage and a drug/alcohol problem. One of his older sisters hardly speaks to me even now, as she thinks I am gay because I have never married. One other cousin and his wife belong to the Jehovas Witness, and since they mainly have turned away from the family anyway, there would likely be little change in contact with them.

My brother-in-law and his parents and brothers are of the southern Baptist strain. The quality of their mercy is not strained, as they have damned little mercy for anyone who does not share their beliefs ("The president oughta' just nuc all them A-rabs and then their oil would be ours for the pickens. They ain't our kinda people anyway." "Them queers don't have no kids, an' that an' aids is jest Gods way of controllin' the population in Africa and weedin' out the deadwood." Noon meal conversation Christmas day '03. (I lost my desire for food, left as soon as possible, and went for a long drive. The brother of the brother-in-law who made the "queer" statement did not mention that his eldest daughter is living in a lesbian relationship--She and her partner were conspicuous by their absence at the "family" dinner. According to my sister, her niece was not welcome to bring her partner, so she did not come.)

On the balance CJ, maybe I won't be losing so much after all. :|
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Hi Carolynn,

No, by the sound of it, you wouldn't be losing much. And think of what you stand to gain, girl! 8)

Concerning transition at work, you're right, I hadn't thought about such issues, really, because I don't plan on living as a woman full-time--far from it! I've always said I enjoy "sliding" around on the gender rainbow and I have no plans to give that pleasure up.

Let us know how you're faring in the affirmation of your own identity, eh Carolynn? I'm eager for details as they become available. :wink:

Thanks for posting.

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Hi Carolyn--
I went back and read your "new members" post. Quite a story, and you do tell it very well. I just wanted some background for you.

Like CJ said, I'm OK with living on the gender border for now. But I also know there's a part of me that feels drawn to transitioning. It's not a strong part right now, but then, neither was CDing, for many years.

It's tempting to agree with CJ that "you wouldn't be losing much" by not having the support of your family. I do know, though, that family bonds are very strong, even when they don't quite fit.

My dad is now 93, and in the last three years, I've begun going back to Ohio every six months, rather than yearly. What this has done is to make me closer to all the family members still living back there. I found out that we don't have to get to know each other all over again with the shorter time span.

Point is, I didn't pay as much attention to family before this. I've never been married, either, and have always fiercely guarded my independence.
So it has surprised me to see how I've become more attached to all the various nieces and nephews and their children.

I can see that you will be giving up something by transitioning . Your family may not really know you; they only know your mask. But there's something they give to you, even so, and it's not easy to think that it won't be there if you go further.

You have been able to see the price you pay by NOT going on, with the health problems, "accidents," and so on, so it does make your choice more clear. I do wish you success as you move forward!
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Hello Anita.
Thanks for your post. You are, of course, quite correct about my rather glib assessment of not really losing much if I am rejected by the members of the family that I described. The web of interrelationships that make up a family are not so easily discarded, as there are always those I do respect and love very much that will be affected by my transition. Not only will I have to deal with the attitudes and comments of the others, but they will too! :( Actually, it is the reaction of those of the family I most care for that I dread. I can only hope that Christina is right that there may be more understanding and acceptance there than I think. If not, then I will move on. On that note, I called today to interview the first of the only three therapists in my area that claim to counsel GID patients. That interview was not entirely successful, I suspect because I still don't know what to ask or how to make my inquires. I do have an idea of costs per hour of treatment now. It is not inconsiderable over the long haul, and may make bimonthly rather than biweekly or monthly appointments necessary. This one is male, and I would really feel more comfortable with a female therapist, I think. I have two more to try to interview, and one of them is female though in practice with another who is male. If I am not happy with these, the next closest is a 2+ hour drive away, one way. I am bothered by the fact that none of the few local TS I have found to talk with (online) recommend the local people, and will only say they didn't work out. We will see.

Anita, you sound like you are in the same place, family wise, that I was 5 years ago. My parents were in their 70s and failing. My dad suffered from complications of diabetes, and I had to take on the task of chores around the house and yard, feeding and working his little hobbyist herd of cattle (which I had zero experience at), taking them to their Dr. appointments, and working at my full time job with it's often mandatory travel. I became closer to him during that two years than I had ever been in the past (and tired too!). We talked, really talked, about a lot of things, and about his final wishes. His mind was sharp, and family history was often a subject of conversation. He died in his sleep less than a month before his 79th birthday, 10 days before the birth of his first great-grandchild, and after a good day when he was visited often by those he cared for, at a time when he felt well enough to enjoy them. It could have been worse. Enjoy the time you have with your dad, as it will not come again. It sounds like you are quite a distance from them, but if you can find a way to be there more often than every 6 months, I think you will not regret the time later. I only wish my mother could be as alert as my dad was. Right now, I am not at all sure if her mind could encompass the concept if I told her I needed to transition.

I also enjoy my nephew and niece and their offspring. It has always been fun to see the very young learn to manipulate their physical and social environment, and to see how delightfully foolish doting adults can be with them (me included). :) Then they become teenagers! :lol: They are still ok, and it can be a measure of fun to see them struggle to contain hormone driven emotions and new insecurities about a self image (Mom, I have a ZIT- On the end of my nose!!! Its picture day. I can't wear makeup on it, I'm a guy!!" was one of the more recent complaints I heard that gave me special amusement, for obvious reasons) :) . They are good kids, drug and alcohol free, and their parents have done amazingly well, considering the locale in redneck country.

Be well Anita. :)
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Hey CJ,
I wanted to relate a few things that have happened to me over this past week. As I mentioned earlier, a week ago I had my ears pierced. Monday morning (as expected) i was hammered by everyone at work about this "drastic change" in me. Tuesday was similar (I was the butt of a few sissy jokes) I don't get upset easily, and I just let it roll off the cuff. But Wednesday evening my Boss called me at home :shock: He said he was taken aback by my piercings (just my ears, no where else!) He called it "out of character" for me. I have a reputation for being very professional and straight-forward at work. Anyway, he disliked what i had done and asked :!: if I would not wear them. "I'm hoping this is just a phase..." were his words. I was floored!! Here is a man who has two sons with earrings, and he has in the past hired people adorning jewelry every day (men and women) :?:
Well, thursday was pretty busy and I kept to my job and avoided him entirely. But Friday _P he invited me to lunch... to discuss "things"
I, surprisingly, stood up for my new look and very calmly explained how i couldn't see this affecting my job performance, etc. It actually turned out to be a very enjoyable luncheon. I guess his initial "shock and awe" left him uncomfortable. We have come to an agreement, and I am happy about it.
I write all this to say this: You have an enormous leap on me (and possibly others) in "coming out to coworkers" What i did was in some way a drastic measure, but you have softened your coworkers by your subtleness.
So KUDO"S to you! *-* *-* *-*
Hopefully in the future I will have the foresight to do the same :)

Ya know, we should be able to ENJOY what we do, right?
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Hi Kyra,

Bravo, girl! In time, your boss and colleagues will see that you're still the same person you always were. What you did reminds me of that scene in the film Normal, where the main character (who begins transitioning in his mid-fifties) shows up at work one day wearing a pair of women's clip-on earrings. The consequences aren't very positive.

I think we do what we must in order to be who we are, while trying to respect the comfort level of those around us. And I certainly don't think a man having his ears pierced in 2004 is apt to seriously offend anyone. A person who's offended by this needs to trade his horsedrawn cart for a television set (or, at the very least, a radio). :wink:

Again, Kyra, bravo for being yourself! :)

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Do not forget Harrison Ford has got at least one ear peirced. I do not mind him having it I think he is one the coolest male actors out there. But I do not like the earing that he has there. You would think that he could come up with a nicer or more intersting earing.

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Hi all,

More news on this front.

This week, I showed one of my male colleagues Christina's pictures (the ones I'd previously put up here in this forum). We were driving on the way to the head office, discussing the "crossdressed calendar" subject (of which more news below), when I just blurted out to him that I'd been "practicing." "Practicing?" he asked. So I just brought out my photos (all on a single 8x11 sheet which I carry around with me for just such occasions). He glanced at them a couple of times as he drove but had nothing to say, really. As I was about to put them back in my pack, he said, "Wait a minute! Wait a minute! That's you?" I told him it was. "Let me see again." This time, he took his time, staring at the pix, occasionally glancing at the road. He was flabbergasted. He wanted to know when I'd done these shots, and why I'd felt the need to practice for the calendar. I told him I'm a crossdresser and that I'd been practicing for the calendar since I was about five years old. He burst out laughing, but he loved it! (He's a sexologist by training, so I don't imagine I'm a completely alien creature to him.) Anyway, this happened yesterday afternoon and we haven't spoken since. I think he may have more questions coming my way, though.

About the calendar (a project that got the green light just this week), I've decided to do it, and I've decided to do it with finesse, panache, and utmost style. I'm thinking of doing the shoot as Marilyn Monroe, when she was sewn into her dress, on the night she sang Happy Birthday to JFK. I've always wondered what I'd look like as a platinum blonde. And I may soon have the answer.

This will only be taking place in early summer but, of course, once the pics are in, I'll be sharing them here.

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Congratulations! That's great! ``5

Will Christina have more fun as a blonde?

This bleached blonde will stay tuned for results

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I can't wait to see the pics too, CJ!

Enjoy the photo session. Knock 'em dead.
Hmmm, maybde blondes do have more fun! :wink:

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Hi all,

Thanks for the encouragement. Now, if I can figure out how to lighten my eyebrows without actually having to dye them. Mo-o-o-o-m, help! :P

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CJ,

Congrats, you're a inspiration to all of us closeted ones out there, you're a very brave girl.

Going back through the thread, I would guess that to the rest of your co-workers, this might be kind of an open secret as you had said. It seems to be a pretty loose and liberal work enviornment (sexy calenders as a workplace joke/present, I've never heard of that before), I mean it dosen't sound like you work in a steelmill. :lol:

Kyra:

You're story about the boss and the earrings reminds me of something that I've thought about alot, that is the alter-egos we develop in the closet. We are sometimes sssooo good at fooling people, that we sometimes fool them too good.

You with the earrings is totally the "real" you, what you are "really" like. But for the person you have presented to your boss, that is so out of character for you, it desturbed him. Interesting.

Maybe some of us should be given Acadamy Awards for our acting abilities. :lol:

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Hi all,

Tara,

Thanks for the kind words. :) I'm actually not as "out there" as I'd like to be, however. I know some here live en femme pretty much full-time. The fact that I'm fairly comfortable in either gender (though my soul is more female, I believe) prevents me from wishing that I could live as a woman 24/7. On the other hand, I need to get my butt out there as a woman more often than I've been doing.

Truth is, my coming out to people as a crossdresser in my regular life more accurately reflects my needs than either remaining sequestered in the closet or flaunting my feminine charms as Christina ever could. Meaning, I don't want people to relate to me only as Christina or only as [name], a drably dressed regular Joe; I want people to know, and to relate to, me as [name], who also happens to be Christina. This is who I am. 8)

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CJ,


I feel exactly that way also. :)



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Tara,

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