Just a little girl talk....

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Diana Michelle
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Re: Just a little girl talk....

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Anthony Simon wrote:There are reasons that the experience of touching or whatever are different for men and women.
Anthony I have always found your responses to be intelligent, well thought through, and poignant however you are way off base here. This has nothing to do with rape or getting pregnant it deals with your rights as a human to have your own space free from unwanted touching, suggestion, innuendo, or worse. It is not a woman's issue but a people issue! Men have and will continue to be subjected to sexual harassment and abuse same as women. It may not in the numbers women have and will unfortunately continue to be but it is there.

Take the macho shaded glasses off and stand up united, not as women, not as men, but as a society and state these actions are unacceptable and will be nor longer tolerated regardless of the gender of the offender or the victim.
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Yeah I agree ... It is not OK for anyone to come up to you asking very personal questions about your underwear and then reach over put their hands on your pants or skirt and then lift and check them out.

In the erotic fantasy world this may be exciting...but in the real world, especially in a public area with people potentially present and especially without asking permission to ... well NO. This whole thing is wrong...no one should come up to you in a park...a total stranger...even someone you know and start asking in public very personal questions regarding your underwear....then to touch and pull your skirt up to look without permission...

That is abuse and shows no respect for you as a person.
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I can't really see a way of arguing this in a way that stands a chance of being convincing. Yet, I'd don't myself feel convinced by the opposing side.
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Anthony Simon, I have no idea of your position on this subject. Are you saying that strangers can peek under my skirt because of the panties I wear? WTH?
Anthony Simon wrote: Note that Debbie Jean stated she was quite clearly a man at the time of the incident.
Exactly, this woman wanted to be sure of her doubts and engaged in a panty conversation as an excuse to check out DJ's 'stuff'.
Anthony Simon wrote:There are reasons that the experience of touching or whatever are different for men and women. One is the simple physical fact that women can be made pregnant if the experience were to go that far. IMO That threat must always be implicit in physical contact of this sort - so that, necessarily, women's control of their physical space is of key importance to them.

What exactly is your opinion? That 'Woman's control of their physical space' is some kind gender thing? Thankfully DJ did not get pregnant by have her panties peeked at.

In a court of law, there is no difference of opinion. Unless it's now OK for strangers to check out your panties at any time or place.

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I reiterate here that I think the key phrase is or should be "consenting adults". And I think that no contact between people, sexual or not, is OK if it is an "unwelcome advance". As to the law, I think that what she did to me is or should be perfectly legal as long as the following conditions were met (and they were):
#1 I was OK with it and she was OK with it, and we both were (are) adults.
#2 Only panties were publicly visible, and not my "male hardware".

Now if the law doesn't allow that, then I believe the law needs to be changed. After all, there are good laws and there are bad laws. There are good ways as well as bad ways to get laws changed. I'm totally OK with "demonstrations" in an effort to publicize one's "cause" so long as the following conditions are met:
#1 Streets are for cars, sidewalks or other public spaces are for people. Keep it that way.
#2 Demonstrators are to respect other peoples property, no looting, trashing, burning, defacing or otherwise littering or damaging of public or private property.
#3 No physical violence or harassment of any sort, no interference with traffic or commerce, no interference of any sort with non-participants and no throwing of objects of any sort. Also no use of weapons (I'm OK with carrying a gun however, if you have a legal permit to do so). However it may be prudent to leave a fire arm home, except for police of course.
#4 Just because you're demonstrating and the bystanders aren't, don't expect the bystanders to automatically agree with your expressed viewpoint.
The above four points are a summation of what I have learned over the years as a result of being a member of the "Woodstock Generation" and therefore a veteran of many "demonstrations".

Some readers may think I'm trying to "change the subject" here, but that is not my intention. I'm merely trying to expand the scope of it.

To administrators and/or moderators: If you wish to lock this thread, I'll understand.

thanks for reading,
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Well, This happened to you....you are an adult and were consenting...I guess by some manner of communication...so right that would be entirely up to you.
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Debbie Jean wrote:I reiterate here that I think the key phrase is or should be "consenting adults".

D.J.
What consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes, tents, windowless vans, hotel rooms, etc. is their business and should be. However you state this took place in a public park! My God girl have you no decency? How do you know there wasn't a group of children playing hide and seek behind the trees or there with their parents to enjoy the beautiful weather you talk about? No you may have not crossed the line to indecent exposure however some overzealous rookie police officer may disagree with that. What could have the consequences been? At the very least most locales have ordinances concerning lewd behavior in public. In my never to be humble opinion you definitely crossed that line!

Did it ever cross your mind that there could have been security cameras around? If not in the park, on houses and/or business bordering it? Most Americans have cell phones with cameras, many with video capability. Did that ever come into your thought process or were you so lost in your sexual fantasy and dreams you didn't care? Honey, if you want to be the next big porn star on YouTube at least have the decency and consideration to take it inside so us with a sense of decorum don't have to be subjected to this type of filth.

You talk about being part of the "Woodstock Generation". You are far from alone in that. I still remember the first time I was arrested for participating in a sit down demonstration. When we were walking out of the police station my father who had just bailed me out said to me "You only get one." The next two times I was arrested for similar I called Grandpa and he bailed me out so you can see I have the provenance to speak here. Yes we were young and idealistic but most of us matured and came to understand better ways to get our point across. I might expect, though just as disgusted by it, this type of behavior from some teen aged girl with her first crush, not an alleged adult!

While we are on the subject of being a member of the "Woodstock Generation" let us talk about your outfit. A schoolgirl skirt and crop top? Come on, give me a freaking break! Yes that may look cute on my granddaughters, one is 16 and the other two 14, however I would probably kick some a$$ if I saw their mothers wearing something like that, let alone ever think of wearing something like that myself even to walk out on my own deck let alone to a public venue such as a park. Yes costumes and role play are fun in an intimate relationship but do it in private with the shades drawn! In other words grow up and act your age and by that I mean your physical age not that fantasy number dancing around in your head!

Now I am going to take this as a teaching opportunity. Eileen intimated it as have I. Ladies, whether you like it or not, anytime you go out in public dressed femme you are an ambassador for the entire T community. Yes there are some that "pass" well and may never be made but be honest with yourselves here. Chances are you are made by one or more and opinions are made based on what people see and hear. There are enough preachers and politicians railing out about the freaks in the LGBT community and displays like Debbie Jean describes only serves to reinforce their rantings. Don't add fuel to the fire Ladies. No I am not telling you to go back into the closet, closets are for clothes and life is for living. Nor am I telling you not to wear that sequined mini skirt when you go clubbing. What I am saying is if you are going for a walk in the park or going shopping or out running errands dressed femme understand what people see will influence their opinions on the entire T community. If you want acceptance and respect then show you deserve it.
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The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls and tenement halls and whispered in the sounds of silence. Paul Simon
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