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Wife back at home with accepting attitude- UPDATE WIFE GONE!

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Hi girls,

I have gone the gammit of emotions. Two nights ago my wife messaged my oldest son, and asked him if he thought I would be willing to compromise the crossdressing thing. He came in to ask me, which of course she knew he would. I told him of course. It was my intention to return to the workforce someday, and it is very likely I will have to compromise. I already compromise for my kids. Making sure thier friends or friends parents don't see me dressed.

So he went back and told her I would. This relay went on for a while with a few more questions. So I called her. She said that she really made a huge mistake, that she was completely broken. She wanted to come home, but was afraid a reconciliation would be impossible because I would always throw this affair in her face. I told her I would come and get her right now. She said she had to tie up financial loose ends with her boyfriend. and she would be finished with training Thursday and would be off on Friday and we could meet and make a deal.

She said that she just started this really good job at JCPenny in management and it really paid good, and she had to go to work the next day to finish training, then perhaps she could transfer to a JCPenny closer to our house. We talked about mistakes we both had made, and how bad we had both hurt our children as a result.

She said she needed to think about it, and talk to her after work the next day. I agreed. But after I spoke to her and thought about our situation, I could not get it out of my head that she was in another man's bed.

So I wrote her an email at 3:30 AM telling her that we had huge issues, including my crossdressing, her being off her anti-depressants. Her refusal to get counseling either individually or marital.

I told her that I was very concerned that she was just going to get me to drop my divorce suit so she could later divorce me and get better terms.

I told her that that two of our three children were very scared about her coming home, because they did not want the fighting to continue, and liked the new loving each other attitude I have been promoting.

I reminded her that she was still at another man's home, and in his bed, and for all I knew just got done having sex with him.

I told her that I was a crossdresser and would never give that up, and would not be shamed for it, and that she was going to have to accept it, learn about it, and deal with. I also told her that I would be willing to make some compromise so she could have time with the "man" she married. I assured her that it did not make her gay to be in love with a crossdresser.

I reminded her of all her bad deeds, which took some time. I told her that I had just offered her that chance of a lifetime, and she said she had to think about it. I told her if she needed to think about it, I was not interested. She had to want it. She had to want me. She had to want me bad enough to accept me. That she was having a mid life crisis and she was going to have to admit that she was not only not going to get what she wanted, but it was turning out nothing like she imagined it would.

I told her that if we were to reunite, she could not spend one more night with her boyfriend. I know, I should not be telling her what to do. I should not be telling anyone what to do. But I wanted to test her. I wanted to see how serious she was. Would she just leave, and stiff her boyfriend? Would she be willing to burn that bridge?

She called me the next morning and said she had to leave for work, but really wanted to talk this out about how we could reconcile. She would call me after work.

She called me around 5:00 PM and said that she had one more day of training, but she did not know her schedule because her boss left, but she was going to have to return to work and work a few more hours, and her schedule would be posted after that. She would call me when she got back and tell me when we could meet because it was not going to happen tonight because she would not be off work until 11:00 PM and she would have to be at work again the next morning.

She said that she would pack up her stuff and come home after work. She still would not say the words "I love you", she was staying another night at her boyfriends, and she made sure to tell me not to expect to just jump into bed with her, it was going to take some time. The last thing she said was "be wearing boy clothes when I get there"

When I got off the phone I told my oldest son that mom was coming home, and that I was upset that she still would not say that she loved me. I told him about her staying one more night at her boyfriends even though I said that could not happen and that she told me not to expect to have sex with her. I also told him what she said about not being dressed when she got here.

He looked at me as if I were a mental case and said "why would you agree to that? That is what you had when she left".

The more I thought about it, the more I realized he was right. I was so excited about us getting back together that I totally compromised everything I said I would not, to a point of it making me resentful, and she was not even home yet.

So I wrote her another email and told her to forget it. Not to come home. I told her that I had a good deal in the divorce, and I would have to compromise nothing. That she needed to get it though her head that I am a crossdresser, I am going to dress, and I not going to change. She was the mother of my children, and she was going to have to deal with it.

I again reminded her of what a crappy deal she got, and not to call me when her truck broke down. Not to call me to get the kids until I knew where she lived, her phone number, her employers phone number, and the names of any people who might come in contact with my children.

I recapped the terms of the divorce, and reminded her what she gave up to stay with her boyfriend.

She called me the next morning early and said "I can't come home?" and I said "no, you are just playing a manipulation game, and I am not playing no more." I told her how it was a test, that I could never have a relationship with her if I had to worry about her boyfriend. She had to cut ties, and burn the bridge so she could never return. And that I felt she was really just setting it up so she could return if she had to. That she had not burned the bridge, and I could not get back together with her.

She said that the truth was that she was really scared. That I tricked her into not filing a response to my divorce suit, and that she was afraid she was going to quit her job, burn the bridge with her boyfriend who really was just a good friend who helped her out, and they only had sex one time. When she first left me and was vulnerable. She was afraid that when she got back here, I was going to turn her away leaving her with no where to go, because I had been so mean in the terms of the divorce.

I told her that I had in fact told her not to listen to paralegals, and that what I told her was that if she lawyered up, I would represent myself and file motion after motion, I would depose all of her internet friends and empoyees, and that while I was quite experienced with representing myself in court, she was not and would run up a huge bill. What I actually said was "if you file a response you are not going to change the outcome, it is just going to cost you a lot of money."

I reminded her of her behavior which for sure was not in our childrens interests, and that, that is all judges care about. I told her that once it was clear we were getting divorced, I was going to get the best deal for me, and that in fact I told her that was what I was going to do, before she left.

I told her before she left "If you are going to leave me after 20 years of devotion and give me the hard [f-word], I will use every legal means at my disposal to give you the hard [f-word]. I know how to use the legal sytem, I am not afraid of it." I reminded her of several legal cases during my business where I represented my company against people who hired lawyers, and I still won.

She said it was not like that, that she had to have this job because we needed the money, but she would call in sick and come home while her boyfriend was at work. I told her I would not agree to not be dressed, and that she would have to agree to counseling, both marital and individual. That she would have to go back on her antidepressants. And that she would have to be emotionally aviailable to me, and vulnerable to me. Because that is what creates the trust between two people.

So she is here. And it is like a new woman. She is giving her love to me, and me to her, and both of us to our kids. I took her to lunch but put boy clothes on first. I still had my jewelry, my nails polished dark red, girls shoes, girls wallet. She said that I can wear what I want, go where I want, take the kids with me while dressed if they want to go with me, but that when I went out with her, I would have to be her man. She said I could still wear nail polish while out with her as long as I toned it down from the red I currently had on, I could still wear my earrings, but the girls watch and bracelet had to go when I with her. She also said I could take my girls wallet when out with her. She said that i needed to wear toed shoes when with her because the toenail polish embarrassed her. She then asked me about wearing black nail polish when I am out with her, as I have always been a rock and roll muscian and that would not embarrass her at all. I told her I would consider it, but I really am not into goth.

We decided to go and get the kids school clothes because JCPenny was having this huge sale, and she got another 20% off because of her employee status, but we had to do it before she quit, which meant, today.

She then realized she left all her makeup. So? She used mine. She had no problem at all using it, but said "I hope you dont have liquid eyeliner?" I assured her I did not. She did tell me not to buy cheap eyeliner pencils because of the way her eyes were it maked up her upper lid. I took that to mean we would be doing a lot more sharing, which really made me happy.

We all went out shopping, her , me, the kids. I wore boy clothes, but kept my red nail polish, and my girls wallet. And when I paid, there were my beautiful nails for all to see. It was still great. We held hands, we hugged, we kissed, it was just like it used to be. We were both trying to make each other happy, and it has been a long time since that happened. We put our wedding rings back on.

What I am about to share with all of you is very personal, and at first I was not going to share it. But it is so important to what is happening to me, I decided I must.

I have had a spiritual awakening. While in the Hospital I talked to a counselor there who had been sexually and physically abused as a child. She said she had spent her life with no self esteem, went from one abusive relationship to another. She said she finally broke the cycle in her late 40's with a 12 step program.

Now I have helped several people get off drugs and alcohol, so I am familar with 12 step. But because I was not an alcoholic or drug addict I never considered it for myself. But after hearing her story, I started thinking about it. My life was unmanageble, but I did not beleive in any god to help me. So how could it work for me?

So I went to my brothers house who I helped get off cocain and attended many AA meetings with during his time of crisis and told him of my thoughts about possibly using 12 steps to get my life back, just as he had, and what did he think about me trying this?

He thought it was a great idea, and gave me "the big book" And "The 12 steps and traditions of AA. " The later book takes you through each step, and it tells you how to do it. Even if you are a smart person who does not beleive in god.

I thought it was important to share with my wife what happened to me, so I included it in my email to her.

I am sure many of you have seen a dramatic change in my attitude, a lot of you have commented on it. While I am not "cured" and am still only in the infancy of my program. I would also like to share it with you all, my other family, because I have indeed had a spiritual awakening.
Elizabeth wrote in email to wife:

Step 1
Admitted we were powerless over the source of our troubles and admitted that our lives have become unmanageable.


I am powerless over my illness, I am powerless over my cross-dressing, I am powerless over my relationships with those I love, and my life has become unmanageable.

It was so hard to me to admit that, but it got me to step 2.

Step 2
Come to believe there was a power greater than ourselves that could restore us to sanity.


I have talked many times about unexplained luck. About feeling like I was going to be lucky to the point of counting on it. My ego allowed me to just blow it off as getting lucky because of positive energy. But no matter what, where does the positive energy come from? Why is it that everytime I have needed something to happen, it has? Why did I refuse to acknowledge this? Because I wanted to take credit for it. Even though inside I knew I had nothing to do with it. Once I let go of my ego, step two was easy.

Step 3
Turn our will and care of our lives over to our higher power.(God) as we understood him


Once I was honest with myself, and realized that I controlled nothing anyway, this was easy, because he already had control it, It was just a matter of admitting it.

Step 4
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves


I guess I am still on this one. and perhaps I always will be. But it is about being honest, about what we have done wrong, first with ourselves.

That is as far as I have gotten. But I am going to continue. I was advised by my woman counselor at the hospital that 12 step programs work for those who do not have drug or alcohol problems. She was a victim of child abuse, both physical and sexual. She never took drugs, nor had an alcohol addiction. She did not go to college until she was 50. She got her life back through 12 steps.

In the hospital I hit rock bottom. I wanted to be dead. What did I have to lose? I seen 12 step programs work. But I was not a drug addict, or an alcoholic. Not having to make all the decisions involved in trying to control the future is quite liberating.

Step 5
Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to one human being, the exact nature of our wrongs


I guess I got out of order, because I have no more secrets.Not just one human being, but many know of all my wrongs. I have admitted these to myself, and to god.
I know many of you have seen me say I do not beleive in "God", and I may not beleive in any particular religions "God", but I know there is a power greater than me, that guides my life and protects me and that is a big part of the reason I have tried to live a good life. So I do believe in God, as I understand him and it is he/her/it who controls the universe, not me.

I am sorry this is so long, but I could see no other way to tell this story.
I love all of you, your strength has been my strength, your wisdom has been my wisdom, your optomism has been my optomism, and my dreams are your dreams.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Hi all,

Elizabeth: =D>

Whatever leads you on the road to better health, both mental and physical, do not hesitate... go for it!!! It doesn't matter what it is, only that it makes you whole again and that it promotes harmony, both within yourself and with those around you.

I want to thank you, Elizabeth, for allowing us to witness your joys and your pains, for being so brutally honest, both with us as well as with yourself. Your candor is such that you've undoubtedly helped many here who are at similar (and similarly confusing) crossroads in their lives.

You rock! 8)

Good luck to you, girl, in whatever direction your life and relationships may be going.

Love,
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Hi Elizabeth,

Wow. I'm glad you wrote that. :)

I have to tell you I was incredibly apprehensive as I was reading it, but I saw that you were to (as you were living through this). Your kids are just perfect! :) I love the positive feedback they give you and how much they love you. :)

I am happy you two are back together. I'm still worried about you because I know you and not your wife. Regardless I can be positive for you and wish you the best. :)
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The 12 step program is cool and a lot of the behaviors you've exhibited are co-dependent behaviors. Take a look on the web for the group CODA (Co-Dependents Anonymous) It's based on a twelve step program, but the only addiction is going overboard to help others and not think of ourselves. It is also based on the 12 step program.

I wish you the absolute best and hope dearly that you are happy forever and ever! :)

Just as an FYI, the post wasn't too long. It had to be that length to get the whole story out. I appreciated you taking the time to let us know what is going on in your life.

You are truly a star (here and in life) and you've shown what talking about things to those who care about you can do for your self esteem. :) I am as proud of you as a sunny day is bright! :)
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Elizabeth,

Your post was a joy to read, I did not find my way through a twelve step program, but have studied it, and have realized that over the last twenty tears I have found myself in situations where I have taken the steps.

It is a good program, the only thing that I have observed is for some who are involved in it, The God of there understanding is not big enough for me. However that is not representative of the size of the God of the program.

You are right some of it is on going. I am so happy for you, and support your decision. I have a number of books written by Melody Beattie, that I can recommend. She found her way through the twelve step program, and has written:

The Codependents guide to the twelve steps.
Codependent no more.
Beyond Codependency.
The language of letting go.
And one I just got but have not read yet is; Taking control of your life and making it matter.

Again I am so happy for you, and hope things work out for you, your wife, and family.
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Post by Elizabeth »

Hi girls,

You all are so great!!!!!!

This has barely been posted a few hours and already you have responded with the love, affection and support you always have. It truely lifts me up.

Everything is not ok. I know this. We have a mountain to climb. But for the first time in a long time we are doing it together. I am optomistic, I have to be or it is not worth doing.

I just have to add that as if fate had not made yesterday an interesting enough day, my wig also arrived in the mail. My wife asked me what it was because it was just in a plain box. I told her that she may not really want that information, but the look on her face said she did.

So I told her. I then opened it up and took it out and she said "let me try in on, I used to be a blond." So I threw it to her. She searched the house and found a hair tie, went into the bathroom and appeared a few minutes later with it on. She had her hair dyed blond in the early part of our relationship and she did look quite attractive in the wig. She then took it off and talked my youngest son into trying it on.

I could now see what she was doing. She was taking the fear out of it. And it worked. She took something that only minutes before we were all afraid of, and made it ok. I later put it on and played my guitar and two of my kids saw it and really were not shocked at all.

She is making a strong effort to really accept this about me, and it is making everyone feel good to see this. Because this has been the alledged source of her anger.

I think after seeing what divorce was really going to mean for her, it was not the great fantasy life she imagined it would be. And that having a caring, loving crossdresser was a lot better than to not have someone to care about you. I mean to really care.

I am sure there are many of you who will read this and say "this girl is a total sucker, I can't beleive she is falling for this". And all I can say is that if she is? And all I can lose is material wealth? That for me and my kids it is a risk well worth taking. Material things come, and they go. But a chance for our family to be healed, that may never come again.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth wrote:I am sure there are many of you who will read this and say "this girl is a total sucker, I can't beleive she is falling for this".
Hi Elizabeth,

I have to admit that, as I started reading, this was exactly my initial reaction. [-X

However, I did catch myself and changed my thinking. For me to be the person I strive to be, it is necessary for me to remain supportive and non-judgemental. Just as it is necessary for you to do whatever it is that you believe is right for you and your family.

You have proved to be a strong person time and time again. For this I salute you.

May your current effort prove successful!
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Glad to hear things are looking up. Your son sounds as though he should be a counsellor or goodness forbid, a lawyer?
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Hi all.
At the time that Elizabeth started the thread the Beginning of the end, I said ya right until next time. And while I had the same feelings as Kathy when I read this thread. I still support Elizabeth through this.

She needs to respond the way she is, she can not do other wise. She did not ask us for advise before making this decision.

So given the circumstances I think this is the best thing for him/her. If it turns out to be like most cases like this, his wife will stay long enough for her too get what she is after. and this relationship will be ended once and for all. Elizabeth will have nothing to say if that happens.

His wife will do what he/she was unable to do, and it will be finished. That is what I suspect will happen, but I hope I am wrong.
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Elizabeth, I didn't have enough to read this this morning so I just read it now :)

You really should be so proud of your Son, sounds very special indeed! It's so good to hear good stories like this, I hope the good times continue Elizabeth you deserve it!

*hugs*

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Elizabeth, I hope things turn out for the better, so far fingers crossed. You worry if you might be a sucker, but if you don't take chances in life, you will always be thinking, what if. That might be harder to handle than being a "sucker". I can't say much else, you're responding to your situation fine without anything said by us, Except maybe some encouragement from us.

Oh wait there is one thing, what do you mean your not into goth, Then you must cease using any black nail polish. There are rules to follow!

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Hi Elizabeth,

I am no counsellor, psycho-whatever it is, agony aunt etc.
I read your posts with gut feeling and respond honestly as if I were in your shoes, going on what I have learnt from your posts. I try not to advise, or speak over strongly as both could cause unneeded confusion.
From reading your posts over the while I have picked up on your personality to a degree, Whereas I do not know your wife's personality first hand, so to speak, at all.

With this in mind, I would like to wish you and those around you every happiness, If your wife were to be posting here too, I would wish her the same

Take care, all of you
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Hi girls,

I just want to thank all of you girls. I know you want to be supportive, but at the same time it is pretty hard to deny that it would be unusual if me and my wife survive this. I know the numbers.

But she says she loves me, and this scares her to death. I got up this morning and wore my nightgown all morning until I showered and got dressed. I dressed really spiffy, nice black pinstripe slacks and a real loose frilly blouse that went great with it. and put on some tan 3" heel sandals I just love.

I then put on some mascara, eyeliner, and lipstick. My girl watch, bracelet, rings. Some really nice long earrings. I kinda had the mind to test the waters.

I came out and she looked at me and was clearly shocked. Knowing we made plans to take the kids to the movies later she said "You'r not going out like that? are you? I replied "well not when I go out with you" She was looking me over real hard and she just burst into tears. She then said in almost hysterical crying "I don't know how I am going to get used to this?"

I put my arms around her to console her and told her that it was still me. That I knew it was shocking, but it was still me. No matter what I was wearing, I was still the same person. She then asked me why I couldn't take it a little slower. Why did I have to rush things.

I told her that I dressed everyday now, and this was no different. That it was within our agreement, and there was no point in trying to dance around it. I was not going back to non- acceptance. She said this was not non-acceptance, but she was not going to be able to just accept it and be ok with it, just because she agreed to.

I told her I was going to leave and go do my errands, which I did. I felt great while I was out, and when I returned home, she seemed fine. We ended up having a great day, we held hands, we hugged, we told each other "I love you".

I am not stupid. It is not that I don't see her potential to use this opportunity to get a better deal. Then dump me later. I think that she does love me, and that she thought she was going to be able to get her own way about everything. I think that she realized that the cost of not accepting me as a crossdresser was too great to just be stubborn.

I think my kids accepting me, and wanting to be with me changed her mind about that. I never really thought she did not love me. I have always beleived in my own mind that it was nothing more than a midlife crisis.

But let's just say that I don't go into this with blinders on. I am aware of what happened. I am aware that the numbers say this marriage will not survive. But what do I really lose for trying? It is not going to be worse that it has been. I am not the same person who came here several months ago.

If my trust is misguided and she burns me? It will still be worth it to me, just to not have to say I did not try everything.

And it is not like I am the only one making concessions. She went from "I won't do anything that may lead me to accepting this" to I can dress how I want, except when I am in public with her. And even then, I can still wear nail polish. I can still wear my earrings. In fact she gave me these really cool ruby and diamond earrings that I bought her many years ago, that i really liked, because she never wore them because for some reason they really irritated her ears.

She has already started giving me makeup tips. I have known her a long time. I think just like me, this has changed her. I think she realizes I am a special person.

She told me when we were discussing our marriage and how we got together "~P~ was ten times better looking than you, but you had the heart". ~P~ being her second husband who abandoned her to go on the road as a Roadie with the rock band RATT. I told her that it was the heart of a crossdresser and that I still had that same heart, and if she married me for my kind heart, why was she so worried about my appearance all the sudden.

This simple statement changed her attitude. I told her she could not claim it both ways. If she married me for my heart, she could not now say that my heart was not important to what we were together. I told her that, that kind heart was because I was a crossdresser. That we, us crossdressers, are sensitive people.

I know she is worried the anger will return. I know she is worried that I might still want to become a woman. She was raised a conservative southern babtist. She has to somehow explain to her family why she is now staying with me.

I guess in short, it is just a gamble. There are no gaurantees. The probability is not that great, but the payoff could be huge. I have read that to beat high probability gambling, there is only one way. Make very few bets, and wager a lot. Like roulette. The more bets you makes, the greater the chance the house has to use thier small advantage to beat you. So if you wager a lot, but only make a few bets and win, you walk away with money. You wager a lot, you only win a little at a time and gamble it all back away.

I know the safe thing to do would be to assume that she is lying, lets face it, she was in a bad position. Agreeing to this is certainly better than the alternative. The reason is, the potential payoff. I am willing to risk it. Hi odds have never scared me away. Sometimes you run at the door, and it opens. But you never know if you never run at it.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth,

I did not intend what I said to be taken in a derogatory way, and I don't think you took it that way. I did the same thing you did, when I was where you are with your marriage, and today given the benefit of hindsight I would have done it the same way. You need to be who you are, and that is the bottom line, you can not change that.

Over time you can change who you are, but you need to be who you are in any given situation. And there is not to much that is confusing about that.

The only thing I would have done differently would have been to get other people's opinions who have gone through this kind of thing them selves. Not to mean that you should not have done what you did, but to get different ideas on how to go about it. But again that only came to me through hindsight.

There are advantages and disadvantages to running at the door, the same is true for small steps, and there is probably some value in being able to apply different approaches to different situations.

It sounds like your wife is really trying, and may need time to adjust to this new set of conditions, that have been imposed on her.

One of the things I have discovered is that women respond to their emotions first and decide later if this is what they truly want.
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Darlene,

I just can't say how much I appreciate you post. I can tell you really put some thought into it. And you are correct, I did not take your prior post as derogatory. I took it as Darlene being Darlene, and I love that about you. You are always candid and frank. Sometimes you say the things that everyone is thinking but don't say because they want to stay positive.

I do look at you as the conscience of the forum. But is shows your inner strength and willingness to share what you have learned, in hopes that someone like me can use it. I understand "putting it out there".

This is one of those cases of asking for advice about if you should run full blast at a closed door. I would not expect too many to tell me that this has a good chance of working, and still be honest.

My whole life I have trusted my feelings. I know I am guided, call it God. call it whatever you want, but I have felt it since I was a kid. Everytime in my life I have needed something to happen in impossble circumstances, where the odds were heavily against me, and I had this feeling, it has. I have that feeling again. I know the door is gonna open. I guess it is faith in my God.

And really, I have everything on the table. I have nothing to lose. I am not going to lose the love and acceptance of my children. Material things? They come and they go. I have learned that one of the best ways to end up disappointed is to put faith in material things. They break, they lose thier shine, they get lost or stolen. People lose thier jobs for no fault of thier own, and lose all the material things they have. It happens everyday. to good honest people.

If she decided she still wants to divorce later, the kids would still want to be with me, they still accept me. She will not be able to poisen them against me. She might get a better deal in the property settlement, but she knows I don't care about that stuff. She knows I will just get more stuff. I always have.

So? I am risking more heartache. I know, but like you said, this is just who I am. You understand, and realize at least right now, I can be nothing other than that.

It is all about love. My family has been through a horrible trauma. The way to heal is through love. If I had been meeting my wife's emotional needs, she would never have sought out other men. I was too busy making money, looking at porn, and trying to get her to have sex with me every waking minute. I have to own that.

I am remembering how I treated her when we dated, and first lived together. That is how I am going to treat her from now on. I can not change what she is going to do, but I can change what I am doing. And I have made it clear that I am all about loving my family from now on.

Thanks Darlene, I love you, you are a gem.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth-
I read your post, and I feel I agree more like your statement about not wanting to wonder "what if I had...". Even if this doesn't work for the long term, it's still an opportunity to explore new territory with a person who you know well, and who knows you well. There's no substitute for that kind of feedback.

You will find out who your femme self is much faster when you have the reactions of someone who knows and loves you. I may have opinions about who I think Anita is, but my friends and family have many observations about her that I couldn't get any other way. They help define who she is, and who she's becoming. Whether I like their comments or don't like them, I have to listen to them first.

As for your spiritual awakening, I am always glad to hear about new understandings like yours. Don't be discouraged when the initial newness and discovery slack off, and you have to start slogging through what seems like a let-down period. That's part of any new relationship, isn't it?

It happens with spiritual relationships, just like it happens with romantic relationships. So don't feel that your new knowledge has disappeared if it seems out of reach for a time.
Love,
Anita
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