Gender Dysphoria Test

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Sun Nov 16, 2003 10:45 pm

Hi Lefty,

She took this test that CJ posted in another thread.

http://www.bookblog.net/gender/genie.html

Beauty

Sara · Post by **Sara** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:30 pm

Well, after reading all the posts, who could resist?

My results: 145, category, probable transsexual.

I have to admit, I was a little surprised at that! I sort of expected to land somewhere in the androgynous zone. I had taken this test a few years ago and again a few months with similar results, so at least it is (or I am) consistent, scoring 125 and up. And it's consistent with that other fun little "we'll guess your gender test" where, guess what, I came up female.

I've never been attracted to men, but then--and I've thought a lot about this--I don't think that's relevant to gender identity anyway. It's not about who were attracted to but how we perceive ourselves. I guess.

Anyway, the results leave me a little breathless, both sort of pleased and sort of confused. I think I'll go slip into something more comfortable while I ponder this further.

CJ · Post by CJ » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:37 am

Hi Sara,

Nice results! I can guarantee you that you've just found a friend in Beauty!

(See, Beauty, you can relax a little more now; both Sara and I are along for the ride with you!

)

Love
Girly Girly CJ $\:D/$

Alexandra · Post by **Alexandra** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:14 am

"same category as Jesse and Alexandra... "Androgyne""

Yayyyy!!!! We're all Teamster truck drivers and professional baseball players!!! Welcome to our exclusive club girl!

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:14 am

CJ wrote:Hi Sara,

Nice results! I can guarantee you that you've just found a friend in Beauty!

(See, Beauty, you can relax a little more now; both Sara and I are along for the ride with you! )

Love
Girly Girly CJ $\:D/$

lol..

:!: Pessimist Alert :!:

I'll feel more relaxed when someone breaks the 200's. It's not the Probable Transexual part that was bothering me. That title is like saying Probable Soccer Fan.

:idea: Optimist Alert :idea:

Sara, I think you're right. I also believe gender identity has nothing to do with sexual preference.

I'm not attracted to men.

I relate with the feelings you had about the results. I feel both elated and troubled with them too. Elated because I'm happy to have so many femme mental traits. Troubled because I thought I was closer to Androgyne. Having the test say the same thing twice was also kind of unnerving. Regardless, I'm ok with it now. I'm happy to be me!

It was a little weird when I saw other's results, but I think I was in denial about my femme personality traits. Kind of odd, but true.

I do have gender dysphoria...wow that's the first time I've ever admitted that.

The reason I was going to say that though is because I do have gender dysphoria, but I don't feel like I'm trapped in the wrong body. Nor do I have a desire to change my sex.

I hope more people take both tests and post their results!!!

Beauty

Sara · Post by **Sara** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:07 am

Good morning, Beauty,

I feel much like you: unlike our fully transsexual sisters, I don't believe I was born into the wrong body. I may often wish it that little x zygote swam a little faster

, but I am what I am. I won't be seeking surgery or even hormones. (A judicious use of razor, moisturizer, tweezers will have to do.

Like you, too, I've grown more comfortable with who I am, particularly with my femme traits. (I got all weepy this morning reading about a suicide in the paper, and no longer regret that I get that way.)

Gender dysphoria? Autogynephilic? Transgendered? Probable transsexual? All of the above? Who knows--they're all just labels anyway for something I think that those of us who, what shall I say, suffer this joyous state of being, can even begin to comprehend--and we (or I--I shouldn't speak for my sisters) can barely do that.

Love,

CJ · Post by CJ » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:47 am

Hi Sara,

>Gender dysphoria? Autogynephilic? Transgendered? Probable transsexual? All of the above? Who knows--they're all just labels anyway for something I think that those of us who, what shall I say, suffer this joyous state of being, can even begin to comprehend--and we (or I--I shouldn't speak for my sisters) can barely do that.<

So true, so true. The danger with labels (and the reason I take the results of these tests with a grain of salt) is that they don't accurately describe who we feel ourselves to be in our "totality," so to speak. They're not holistic, if you will. They can't encompass us.

Philosopher Gilbert Ryle talked about "category mistakes," where confusion occured in different levels of identification. The example he gave was that of a group of Japanese tourists wanting to visit Oxford University (or Harvard, I don't remember). They were given the tour, the guide pointing out this and that building on the way. Once their visit over, the tourists asked the guide, "Yes, these are beautiful buildings--but where is the University?" I think that's the problem with being identified as a transsexual or whatever label we're saddled with; they're the "buildings" to the "University" of who we are. You can't pin a given label on someone without making the, ultimately futile, effort of also pinning on that person any and all other labels you think aptly describes them and then say, "There! This is who this person is." We're dynamic creatures, ever in flux, our "buildings" ever being renovated, torn down, built anew. And those "buildings" that don't, in fact, change much over time still can't be considered, on their own, to be the "University" of our self.

Anyway, sorry to start the day so, well...so rationally, I guess; my frontal lobes woke up with a woody this morning.

Love,
CJ

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:54 am

Hi again Sara,

Exactly!!

But... Umm...Well... lol...

I have considered hormones before I got married. I still think about them to be honest. I am having laser hair removal (5th treatment Friday) YAY!!! $\:D/$ . Still there is zero desire to change my sex. I don't feel that would complete me in any way and would actually make me feel trapped in the wrong body.

I just think there are things on my bodyI would like to be more femme. Like hips, soft skin (my wife and other women remark about my soft skin now, but I don't see it that way), and lastly facial hair.

Hormones are a very serious step and I haven't felt comfortable enough to take that step. Besides, lol, I'm not sure I want breasts I can't take off when I want to dress en drabbe again.

I agree with practically all of your post, but since I'm being open and honest here I wanted to be open about myself and my feelings.

It was great talking to you twice in a day Sara!

Beauty

Sara · Post by **Sara** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:59 am

Hi, Christina and Beauty.

You posts are such joy to read. Christina, you had me lol--a frontal lobe woody!

Okay, confessions in order--I'm not considering hormones, but it's not that I haven't THOUGHT about them. I think about some of the same things you do, Beauty, would love some of those same attributes. Haven't had the courage to go forward with much, but a girl can dream.

Anyway, gotta go catch an airlplane. I love chatting here--such a great combination of humor, thoughtfulness, warmth. The stuff guys never really get to do.

Talk soon.

Love,

Anne · Post by **Anne** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:21 pm

I am sure as many TG people have read or heard about something it starts a possible thought process. As I have become more educated on TG, TS, CD issues I have explored my own feelings on issues including lingerie vs full clothes, makeup, breast forms, wigs, hair removal, hormones, surgery living full time, etc. etc. My own comfort level has changed as a result of my thinking and trying things I think I might like to experience. But I have not become a TS after reading (alot) about it as my comfort level says I'm CD.

The Internet has made alot of literature and friends

available and has been a catalyst in letting people think and then make choices all their own.

Anne

CJ · Post by CJ » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:33 pm

Hi Anne,

I agree with what you say. Are you referring to a slippery slope (or a silky slope, as I call it

)? That is, the more you become aware of options and possibilities, the more you think you'd be interested in exploring them?

My own level of comfort also tells me I'm a crossdresser, despite my COGIATI results. However, I remember reading a story in some mainstream magazine when I was younger, where the male protagonist so loved his girlfriend (who'd recently come out to him as a lesbian!) that he was willing (and did) have SRS! I know it's absolutely corny, simplistic, and improbable--but, boy, was I turned on by the idea, though! And, to this day, I'm not sure to what extent I'd be willing to adopt a more womanly appearance and embrace feminine roles and lifestyles--in or out of relationships. It's something that's not yet settled in my mind (sorta like there's a mountain in there I haven't seen or climbed yet

).

Have you taken the COGIATI, Anne? If so, what were your own results?

http://transsexual.org/Ttestpages1.html

Love,
CJ

SharonRose · Post by **SharonRose** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:06 pm

Your COGIATI result value is: -30 Which means that you fall within the following category:

COGIATI classification THREE, ANDROGYNE
What this means is that the Combined Gender Identity And Transsexuality Inventory has classified your internal gender identity to be essentially androgynous, both male and female at the same time, or possibly neither.
In some cultures in history, you would be considered to be a third sex, independent of the polarities of masculine or feminine. Your gender issues are intrinsic to your construction, and you will most likely find your happiness playing with expressing both genders as you feel like it.

I took the test a few years ago and got similar results.

Sharon Rose

Carolynn · Post by **Carolynn** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:26 pm

Hi all. For what it's worth, I took the COGIATI three years ago, for a score of 275--classification 4. Probable Transsexual. Decided to take it again tonight for the grins, score 375, classification 4, probable transsexual. Quite a wide range for that classifiction 4, no?

I was kinda surprised it went higher in numbers after the kind of day I had. I just spent the day in a rather testosterone charged meeting with clients of the "good old boy" sort and my "mask" was well in place all day, but I was acutely uncomfortable most of the meeting with some of he "jokingly" antagonistic comments made by two of them toward a third member of the five. I don't know what the underlying cause was, but their target was very quiet, with very cool eyes and his smile was without any humor or meaning, if you know what I mean. There's some kinda history there. I think it was good there were three other neutral people at the meeting, or it could have gotten more unpleasant. I had to keep fighting the peacemaker impulse, (also known as the Jack Nicholson impulse "cant we just all get along"). I was glad when I could make the 31/2 hour drive to my next stop.

Hugs.

SharonRose · Post by **SharonRose** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:04 am

I just rechecked my COGIATI test results from 2000 and from February 2003. My classification was the same (3, Androgyne) but I was -110 and -120, and now I am -30.

I found this information on the website:

"How the COGIATI is constructed and scored.

The COGIATI, as it currently exists, is composed of 65 questions. All of the questions are based on one aspect of neurological, or social, sex differentiation. Some questions are reworkings of some of the BEM and Moir-Jessel questions, even more are based on my own independant study of the sources for those two tests, as well as recent research papers. All of this comes together to form the current COGIATI. I hope to expand the COGIATI in time. The ultimate goal would be to have a COGIATI composed of about 200 questions; for maximum accuracy, a wide platform for result basis, and the power to break down psychological barriers by virtue of mental exhaustion, just as is done in tests such as the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory.
Scoring is simple. There are five answers to each question, with each answer numerically corresponding to one of five categories:

-10 Extremely Male
-5 Feminine Male
0 Androgynous
5 Female
10 Extremely Female

With 65 questions, the total range is -650 for Absolute Male to +650 for Absolute Female

The breakdown is thus:

-650 to -389 Class 1 (Definite Male)
-390 to -129 Class 2 (Feminine Male)
-130 to 129 Class 3 (Androgyne)
130 to 389 Class 4 (Probable Transsexual)
390 to 650 Class 5 (Classic Transsexual)

The sexual gratification-based, fetishitic transvestite would fit Class 1
The mostly sexual / fetishistic but slightly gender involved crossdresser fits Class 2
The serious transgenderist fits Class 3
The most common type of transsexual (well over 70%) fits Class 4
The rarest, early onset, 'classic model of early research' transsexual fits Class 5

COGIATI simply tallies up a score based on the questions, with no adjustments. Very straightforward, no assumptions in the calculation.

This is the basic information on the COGIATI."

My results indicate some movement away from the male end of the spectrum, but I am still within Class 3 Androgyne.

Sharon Rose

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:35 am

Wow.

Thanks Sharon. That helps explain the test more.

That's VERY interesting. Hmmmm?

Beauty