I realize that the understanding of sex and gender is constantly evolving, but I could have used some of this when I was growing up. I'm going to share this one with my mom.December 2, 2006
Supporting Boys or Girls When the Line Isn’t Clear
by Patricia Leighton Brown
OAKLAND, Calif., Dec. 1 — Until recently, many children who did not conform to gender norms in their clothing or behavior and identified intensely with the opposite sex were steered to psychoanalysis or behavior modification.
But as advocates gain ground for what they call gender-identity rights, evidenced most recently by New York City’s decision to let people alter the sex listed on their birth certificates, a major change is taking place among schools and families. Children as young as 5 who display predispositions to dress like the opposite sex are being supported by a growing number of young parents, educators and mental health professionals.
Doctors, some of them from the top pediatric hospitals, have begun to advise families to let these children be “who they are” to foster a sense of security and self-esteem. They are motivated, in part, by the high incidence of depression, suicidal feelings and self-mutilation that has been common in past generations of transgender children. Legal trends suggest that schools are now required to respect parents’ decisions.
“First we became sensitive to two mommies and two daddies,” said Reynaldo Almeida, the director of the Aurora School, a progressive private school in Oakland. “Now it’s kids who come to school who aren’t gender typical.”
The supportive attitudes are far easier to find in traditionally tolerant areas of the country like San Francisco than in other parts, but even in those places there is fierce debate over how best to handle the children.
Cassandra Reese, a first-grade teacher outside Boston, recalled that fellow teachers were unnerved when a young boy showed up in a skirt. “They said, ‘This is not normal,’ and, ‘It’s the parents’ fault,’ ” Ms. Reese said. “They didn’t see children as sophisticated enough to verbalize their feelings.”
As their children head into adolescence, some parents are choosing to block puberty medically to buy time for them to figure out who they are — raising a host of ethical questions.
While these children are still relatively rare, doctors say the number of referrals is rising across the nation. Massachusetts, Minnesota, California, New Jersey and the District of Columbia have laws protecting the rights of transgender students, and some schools are engaged in a steep learning curve to dismantle gender stereotypes.
At the Park Day School in Oakland, teachers are taught a gender-neutral vocabulary and are urged to line up students by sneaker color rather than by gender. “We are careful not to create a situation where students are being boxed in,” said Tom Little, the school’s director. “We allow them to move back and forth until something feels right.”
For families, it can be a long, emotional adjustment. Shortly after her son’s third birthday, Pam B. and her husband, Joel, began a parental journey for which there was no map. It started when their son, J., began wearing oversized T-shirts and wrapping a towel around his head to emulate long, flowing hair. Then came his mother’s silky undershirts. Half a year into preschool, J. started becoming agitated when asked to wear boys’ clothing.
En route to a mall with her son, Ms. B. had an epiphany: “It just clicked in me. I said, ‘You really want to wear a dress, don’t you?’ ”
Thus began what the B.’s, who asked their full names not be used to protect their son’s privacy, call “the reluctant path,” a behind-closed-doors struggle to come to terms with a gender-variant child — a spirited 5-year-old boy who, at least for now, strongly identifies as a girl, requests to be called “she” and asks to wear pigtails and pink jumpers to school.
Ms. B., 41, a lawyer, accepted the way her son defined himself after she and her husband consulted with a psychologist and observed his newfound comfort with his choice. But she feels the precarious nature of the day-to-day reality. “It’s hard to convey the relentlessness of it, she said, “every social encounter, every time you go out to eat, every day feeling like a balance between your kid’s self-esteem and protecting him from the hostile outside world.”
The prospect of cross-dressing kindergartners has sparked a deep philosophical divide among professionals over how best to counsel families. Is it healthier for families to follow the child’s lead, or to spare children potential humiliation and isolation by steering them toward accepting their biological gender until they are older?
Both sides in the debate underscore their concern for the profound vulnerability of such youngsters, symbolized by occurrences like the murder in 2002 of Gwen Araujo, a transgender teenager born as Eddie, southeast of Oakland.
“Parents now are looking for advice on how to make life reasonable for their kids — whether to allow cross-dressing in public, and how to protect them from the savagery of other children,” said Dr. Herbert Schreier, a psychiatrist with Children’s Hospital and Research Center in Oakland.
Dr. Schreier is one of a growing number of professionals who have begun to think of gender variance as a naturally occurring phenomenon rather than a disorder. “These kids are becoming more aware of how it is to be themselves,” he said.
In past generations, so-called sissy boys and tomboy girls were made to conform, based on the belief that their behaviors were largely products of dysfunctional homes.
Among the revisionists is Dr. Edgardo Menvielle, a child-adolescent psychiatrist at the Children’s National Medical Center in Washington who started a national outreach group for parents of gender-variant children in 1998 that now has more than 200 participants. “We know that sexually marginalized children have a higher rate of depression and suicide attempts,” Dr. Menvielle said. “The goal is for the child to be well adjusted, healthy and have good self-esteem. What’s not important is molding their gender.”
The literature on adults who are transgender was hardly consoling to one parent, a 42-year-old software consultant in Massachusetts and the father of a gender-variant third grader. “You’re trudging through this tragic, horrible stuff and realizing not a single person was accepted and understood as a child,” he said. “You read it and think, O.K., best to avoid that. But as a parent you’re in this complete terra incognita.”
The biological underpinnings of gender identity, much like sexual orientation, remain something of a mystery, though many researchers suspect it is linked with hormone exposure in the developing fetus.
Studies suggest that most boys with gender variance early in childhood grow up to be gay, and about a quarter heterosexual, Dr. Menvielle said. Only a small fraction grow up to identify as transgender.
Girls with gender-variant behavior, who have been studied less, voice extreme unhappiness about being a girl and talk about wanting to have male anatomy. But research has thus far suggested that most wind up as heterosexual women.
Although many children role-play involving gender, Dr. Menvielle said, “the key question is how intense and persistent the behavior is,” especially if they show extreme distress.
Dr. Robin Dea, the director of regional mental health for Kaiser Permanente in Northern California, said: “Our gender identity is something we feel in our soul. But it is also a continuum, and it evolves.”
Dr. Dea works with four or five children under the age of 15 who are essentially living as the opposite sex. “They are much happier, and their grades are up,” she said. “I’m waiting for the study that says supporting these children is negative.”
But Dr. Kenneth Zucker, a psychologist and head of the gender-identity service at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, disagrees with the “free to be” approach with young children and cross-dressing in public. Over the past 30 years, Dr. Zucker has treated about 500 preadolescent gender-variant children. In his studies, 80 percent grow out of the behavior, but 15 percent to 20 percent continue to be distressed about their gender and may ultimately change their sex.
Dr. Zucker tries to “help these kids be more content in their biological gender” until they are older and can determine their sexual identity — accomplished, he said, by encouraging same-sex friendships and activities like board games that move beyond strict gender roles.
Though she has not encountered such a situation, Jennifer Schwartz, assistant principal of Chatham Elementary School outside Springfield, Ill., said that allowing a child to express gender differences “would be very difficult to pull off” there.
Ms. Schwartz added: “I’m not sure it’s worth the damage it could cause the child, with all the prejudices and parents possibly protesting. I’m not sure a child that age is ready to make that kind of decision.”
The B.’s thought long and hard about what they had observed in their son. They have carefully choreographed his life, monitoring new playmates, selecting a compatible school, finding sympathetic parents in a babysitting co-op. Nevertheless, Ms. B. said, “there is still the stomach-clenching fear for your kid.”
It is indeed heartbreaking to hear a child say, as J. did recently, “It feels like a nightmare I’m a boy.”
The adjustment has been gradual for Mr. B., a 43-year-old public school administrator who is trying to stop calling J. “our little man.” He thinks of his son as a positive, resilient person, and his love and admiration show. “The truth is, is any parent going to choose this for their kid?” he said. “It’s who your kid is.”
Families are caught in the undertow of conflicting approaches. One suburban Chicago mother, who did not want to be identified, said in a telephone interview that she was drawing the line on dress and trying to provide “boy opportunities” for her 6-year-old son. “But we can’t make everything a power struggle,” she said. “It gets exhausting.”
She worries about him becoming a social outcast. “Why does your brother like girl things?” friends of her 10-year-old ask. The answer is always, “I don’t know.”
Nila Marrone, a retired linguistics professor at the University of Connecticut who consults with parents and schools, recalled an incident last year at a Bronx elementary school in which an 8-year-old boy perceived as effeminate was thrown into a large trash bin by a group of boys. The principal, she said, “suggested to the mother that she was to blame, for not having taught her son how to be tough enough.”
But the tide is turning.
The Los Angeles Unified School District, for instance, requires that students be addressed with “a name and pronoun that corresponds to the gender identity.” It also asks schools to provide a locker room or changing area that corresponds to a student’s chosen gender.
One of the most controversial issues concerns the use of “blockers,” hormones used to delay the onset of puberty in cases where it could be psychologically devastating (for instance, a girl who identifies as a boy might slice her wrists when she gets her period). Some doctors disapprove of blockers, arguing that only at puberty does an individual fully appreciate their gender identity.
Catherine Tuerk, a nurse-psychotherapist at the children’s hospital in Washington and the mother of a gender-variant child in the 1970s, says parents are still left to find their own way. She recalls how therapists urged her to steer her son into psychoanalysis and “hypermasculine activities” like karate. She said she and her husband became “gender cops.”
“It was always, ‘You’re not kicking the ball hard enough,’ ” she said.
Ms. Tuerk’s son, now 30, is gay and a father, and her own thinking has evolved since she was a young parent. “People are beginning to understand this seems to be something that happens,” she said. “But there was a whole lifetime of feeling we could never leave him alone.”
Interesting New York Times Story
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Interesting New York Times Story
I copied this out of the Saturday online edition of the Times. I'd link to it, but you have to be a subscriber to read anything there.
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Hi Jaye--
A TG friend sent me this, and I wrote out a short reply to her. I'm going to paste it in here.
The subject really pushes and pulls at me. I'm glad it's being recognized and addressed, certainly. The other side of it is that there is no "solution" that satisfies the practical part of me. I just see a child going through constant warfare, all of their days in elementary, middle, and high school.
"I'm just acknowledging here that I got your replies, and this one (about the article) certainly evokes a lot of feeling in me. It is not all good--this is such a difficult issue for everyone involved. The parents in that article are voicing exactly the same sentiments that I would feel.
"Even knowing what I know about my own life, it is daunting to think of having to support a child through years of going against the grain with their gender. I know how rough the playground "jungle" is--we all remember it. It can be bad enough when you present a 'normal' appearance. To deviate in any way is to invite attacks of all sorts, and gender is THE hot issue, the biggest one I can think of. It would upset not only the other kids, but all the adults involved, too.
"Sure, you can put the child in a protective cocoon, like the special schools mentioned. That would help, but there's still the outside world of day-to-day encounters to deal with. Ugh. There's also that whole issue of the child never really trying to adjust to the gender that they were born. I went through all the proper socialization as a boy, and I knew how to be a boy--how to play sports, how to talk and act, and eventually how to fight.
"When I turned my back on this at age 49, I knew exactly what I was NOT wanting to do anymore. But if you never learn...then you're out in a no-person's land where you don't fully fit into either gender. It's great that there are some kids that transition at say, 16, and never look back. But that's rare, so far."
So there's my immediate thoughts on the article. It is troubling to me that adolescents have to make life-altering decisions about hormones at an age where they can't really know the alternatives. I don't know if we still have a section of teens here, since it's a private forum if we do. All of us in the main forum have lived full lives as men, doing what we were "supposed" to do. Our choice to live another life draws on those experiences, whether they were good or bad. At least we knew what it was.
Even for us, it's not always easy to live out this other part of us, or make the decision to transition all the way if we think that's the way to go. I have post-op friends who hated the effects of male hormones on their bodies. But if those hormones had been replaced with female hormones, would my friends have been successful enough in their careers to have made the enormous expenditures that they did in order to transition?
Could they have afforded the houses they now have as a shelter against having to live in single-room hotels, as many transwomen do here in San Francisco?
Discrimination against any kind of trans person makes it very hard for one of us to find or keep a well-paying job. To set a 17 year old on that road would be a hard thing for me to watch, as a parent. I know the difficulties involved, more than my child would. Yet I wouldn't want to make them live out a life that made them miserable, either. What a dilemma this is!
A TG friend sent me this, and I wrote out a short reply to her. I'm going to paste it in here.
The subject really pushes and pulls at me. I'm glad it's being recognized and addressed, certainly. The other side of it is that there is no "solution" that satisfies the practical part of me. I just see a child going through constant warfare, all of their days in elementary, middle, and high school.
"I'm just acknowledging here that I got your replies, and this one (about the article) certainly evokes a lot of feeling in me. It is not all good--this is such a difficult issue for everyone involved. The parents in that article are voicing exactly the same sentiments that I would feel.
"Even knowing what I know about my own life, it is daunting to think of having to support a child through years of going against the grain with their gender. I know how rough the playground "jungle" is--we all remember it. It can be bad enough when you present a 'normal' appearance. To deviate in any way is to invite attacks of all sorts, and gender is THE hot issue, the biggest one I can think of. It would upset not only the other kids, but all the adults involved, too.
"Sure, you can put the child in a protective cocoon, like the special schools mentioned. That would help, but there's still the outside world of day-to-day encounters to deal with. Ugh. There's also that whole issue of the child never really trying to adjust to the gender that they were born. I went through all the proper socialization as a boy, and I knew how to be a boy--how to play sports, how to talk and act, and eventually how to fight.
"When I turned my back on this at age 49, I knew exactly what I was NOT wanting to do anymore. But if you never learn...then you're out in a no-person's land where you don't fully fit into either gender. It's great that there are some kids that transition at say, 16, and never look back. But that's rare, so far."
So there's my immediate thoughts on the article. It is troubling to me that adolescents have to make life-altering decisions about hormones at an age where they can't really know the alternatives. I don't know if we still have a section of teens here, since it's a private forum if we do. All of us in the main forum have lived full lives as men, doing what we were "supposed" to do. Our choice to live another life draws on those experiences, whether they were good or bad. At least we knew what it was.
Even for us, it's not always easy to live out this other part of us, or make the decision to transition all the way if we think that's the way to go. I have post-op friends who hated the effects of male hormones on their bodies. But if those hormones had been replaced with female hormones, would my friends have been successful enough in their careers to have made the enormous expenditures that they did in order to transition?
Could they have afforded the houses they now have as a shelter against having to live in single-room hotels, as many transwomen do here in San Francisco?
Discrimination against any kind of trans person makes it very hard for one of us to find or keep a well-paying job. To set a 17 year old on that road would be a hard thing for me to watch, as a parent. I know the difficulties involved, more than my child would. Yet I wouldn't want to make them live out a life that made them miserable, either. What a dilemma this is!
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Anita,
I read with great interest your response and I agree, but you must also remember what I say, "It is the pioneers that take the arrows!" The article that Jaye has posted, although dealing with adolescence primarily drags "us" into the picture as well by saying that "this (condition) is now being recognized more and more!" It was (evidently) around in the past, but not recognized and the recipients of this "gift" suffered the consequences of "being themselves!", ergo the movie about the life and death of Gwen Araujo.
We on this forum and our sisters everywhere are the pioneers as we struggle to "find ourselves." As the article stated, there has been very little study of this - this "gift" in adults and when or how it seems to manifest itself in different ways in different people at different times in their lives!
The very fact that it is now being recognized as even existing and that it should be treated as a normal form of development for some children, that in itself is a giant step for all of us, regardless of where we may be on the continuum!
It just takes time for "society" to accept change. We all know that and for us to be accepted as "those with a gift" of being transgendered, it will just take a while. A while being "not in our life times" but we will have served as the pioneers and that in itself is something to be proud of!
Love you all,
Virginia
I read with great interest your response and I agree, but you must also remember what I say, "It is the pioneers that take the arrows!" The article that Jaye has posted, although dealing with adolescence primarily drags "us" into the picture as well by saying that "this (condition) is now being recognized more and more!" It was (evidently) around in the past, but not recognized and the recipients of this "gift" suffered the consequences of "being themselves!", ergo the movie about the life and death of Gwen Araujo.
We on this forum and our sisters everywhere are the pioneers as we struggle to "find ourselves." As the article stated, there has been very little study of this - this "gift" in adults and when or how it seems to manifest itself in different ways in different people at different times in their lives!
The very fact that it is now being recognized as even existing and that it should be treated as a normal form of development for some children, that in itself is a giant step for all of us, regardless of where we may be on the continuum!
It just takes time for "society" to accept change. We all know that and for us to be accepted as "those with a gift" of being transgendered, it will just take a while. A while being "not in our life times" but we will have served as the pioneers and that in itself is something to be proud of!
Love you all,
Virginia
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Sorry, Donna, you kind of lost me. I know that studies indicate that most CD's are married, hetrosexuals, on the otherhand, society "in general" i.e., the "unwashed masses" seem to think that ?all? most? CD's are Gay! At least that is my interpretation of "where we stand!"
We are however making inroads and acceptance is in baby steps but it is happening. Everytime one of us goes out in public and is confronted or read or even seen, it is just that much more exposure that we get and I believe that it, on balance, is a postive experience for us!
Love,
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We are however making inroads and acceptance is in baby steps but it is happening. Everytime one of us goes out in public and is confronted or read or even seen, it is just that much more exposure that we get and I believe that it, on balance, is a postive experience for us!
Love,
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Hey Virginia, I was merely showing how the term "most" is sometimes used without factual basis.
Note, Tri-ess states "While the vast majority of crossdressers are ordinary heterosexual men with an additional feminine dimension, they are stereotyped by society based on a highly visible minority who crossdress for entirely different reasons."
Although they use the phrase "vast majority" meaning "most" there is no way to prove such a statement.
The same holds true for Colettes quoted statement "Studies suggest that most boys with gender variance early in childhood grow up to be gay."
What studies? How could they even make such a study? They'd have to study more than 50% of the boys in the world, and more than 50% of those who show gender varient behaviour would have to come out as being gay.
Instead of using "most", terms like "some", "many" or "a number of" would read better, resulting in a verifiable statement like:
"Studies suggest that some (many; a number of) boys with gender variance early in childhood grow up to be gay."
That could be true Virginia, but what studies have even studied "most CD's?" Many CDs are so closeted, how could such a study even come close to accurate? How many married CDs would admit to being Bi?Virginia wrote:Sorry, Donna, you kind of lost me. I know that studies indicate that most CD's are married, hetrosexuals, on the otherhand, society "in general" i.e., the "unwashed masses" seem to think that ?all? most? CD's are Gay! At least that is my interpretation of "where we stand!"
Note, Tri-ess states "While the vast majority of crossdressers are ordinary heterosexual men with an additional feminine dimension, they are stereotyped by society based on a highly visible minority who crossdress for entirely different reasons."
Although they use the phrase "vast majority" meaning "most" there is no way to prove such a statement.
The same holds true for Colettes quoted statement "Studies suggest that most boys with gender variance early in childhood grow up to be gay."
What studies? How could they even make such a study? They'd have to study more than 50% of the boys in the world, and more than 50% of those who show gender varient behaviour would have to come out as being gay.
Instead of using "most", terms like "some", "many" or "a number of" would read better, resulting in a verifiable statement like:
"Studies suggest that some (many; a number of) boys with gender variance early in childhood grow up to be gay."
DonnaT
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This I guess is the crux of the matter! We just don't know, but personal observation suggests that the number of "gay crossdressers" would be a very very small minority of all crossdressers. As for, I guess, we oould call them, "bi-crossdressers" it would seem to be more than "gay crossdressers" and you are right in your assumption that we don't know, but on the other hand, "bi-crossdressers" would have to be less closeted than hetrosexual crossdressers, otherwise how would they know they were bi's, even given the fact that they did not dress for their partner(s)!
There just is not enough studies to categorize us! Definitely no one can explain us, so this gal will just continue her "Magical Mystery Tour" and hope all my sisters enjoy their's.
Love,
Virginia
There just is not enough studies to categorize us! Definitely no one can explain us, so this gal will just continue her "Magical Mystery Tour" and hope all my sisters enjoy their's.
Love,
Virginia
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I blame mostly the porn industry. There is not any porn that has any type of crossdressing in it that is not gay porn IE: male on male. Also craigslist does not help in the casual encounters section they have T4M or M4T. If you do a search for T4W you find maybe 6 at the most. and this is in the San Francisco bay area.
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