I posted this in one of the other forums and thought it might be interesting to also post it here. The question is for all you GGs who might happen to see it and it's one of those you really need to think deeply about to come up with an honest answer to the best of your ability.
Have any of you GGs ever felt a masculine side of your personality from within or had a desire to give physical expression to such a feeling if you’ve ever had one? Most of you will probably answer ‘no’. If, however, you HAVE had such feelings, what (if anything) did you do because of them? My guess is that you’ve probably never had really deep inward stirrings along such lines, and until you have the same inner feelings and desires to emulate a MALE as a CD does to emulate a female, it’s pretty close to an impossibility for you to understand what goes on inside the heart and sole of a crossdresser. You’ll have to admit, it’s darn near impossible for a non-crossdressing GG to understand this motivation to dress that we males have. I guess you might could say that it IS a “guy thing” as I saw one reply call it. I know that sounds odd and har to comprehend that a guy wanting to dress as a girl being a "guy thing", but consider this. . . . . we’re aware that there are a few F2M CDs in the population, but there are FAR more M2F’s so I think we CAN say that it’s predominately a “guy thing”. It would be pretty safe to say that one of the reasons that GGs have little or no desire to look/feel like a man is because they’re not nearly as impressed by us as we are by them (BTW, that’s a compliment, ladies).
So what do you think? Is it impossible for most women to get a handle on what it FEELS like to be a crossdresser?
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Dixie,
My husband and I are looking at new vehicles. His focus is on the auto looking lovely. Mine is all the gadgets and the cargo area and how it works. He says that I think like a "guy" at times. Maybe I do, I love football, baseball and boxing.
But, I do know that I have no desire to emmulate, portray, dress like or feel like a man at any point.
I don't think that I will can get a handle on what it feels like to be a cross dresser for this reason: My brain simply is not wired that way. My husband tells me that his brain and emotions tell him that when he dresses he feels comfortable and "normal" and whole, as long as he can do it from time to time.
Where I can logically understand this, I still wonder "why" he was made the way he was or what other (if any) factors contributed to him being who he is. For that there seems to be no explanation. That's where I get stuck and seem to revert back to wondering "why" he would want to look, act, dress and feel like a woman. There's a part of me that just simply cannot understand it. No matter how I try to wrap my brain around it, it makes no sense. So, I just try to accept it as one of those things that just "is."
Just my thoughts...
Kay(SO) you know me as Sharon (smile)
My husband and I are looking at new vehicles. His focus is on the auto looking lovely. Mine is all the gadgets and the cargo area and how it works. He says that I think like a "guy" at times. Maybe I do, I love football, baseball and boxing.
But, I do know that I have no desire to emmulate, portray, dress like or feel like a man at any point.
I don't think that I will can get a handle on what it feels like to be a cross dresser for this reason: My brain simply is not wired that way. My husband tells me that his brain and emotions tell him that when he dresses he feels comfortable and "normal" and whole, as long as he can do it from time to time.
Where I can logically understand this, I still wonder "why" he was made the way he was or what other (if any) factors contributed to him being who he is. For that there seems to be no explanation. That's where I get stuck and seem to revert back to wondering "why" he would want to look, act, dress and feel like a woman. There's a part of me that just simply cannot understand it. No matter how I try to wrap my brain around it, it makes no sense. So, I just try to accept it as one of those things that just "is."
Just my thoughts...
Kay(SO) you know me as Sharon (smile)
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I've never had any desire to express a masculine side, I don't think I have one. I certainly have never had any desire to look masculine, (don't like the clothes!) or emulate a male in any way, in fact quite the opposite is true. I always try to look as feminine as possible and am known for being very 'girly'. So, yes, it is very hard for me to try to imagine what it would be like, to want to express a side that is a different gender to my own.
I cannot put myself in your shoes, no matter how hard I try, and I have tried so hard to understand CDing! All I can do is accept it.
I cannot put myself in your shoes, no matter how hard I try, and I have tried so hard to understand CDing! All I can do is accept it.
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Sharon (SO) said, "I do not have any desires to feel more masculine."
and Curly (SO) said,"I have no desire to express myself as a male. I'm glad to be a woman!!!"
and Kay (SO) said,"But, I do know that I have no desire to emmulate, portray, dress like or feel like a man at any point."
Here are three SO's so far who admit that they have never felt masculine and have had no desire to feel that way or to emulate a male for any reason. The husbands or boyfriends of these three women are extremely blessed to have a woman who, although she has no idea as to what it feels like to want to emulate the oppossite gender, realize that it IS somethingthat's important to their men and is a most definite part of their overall personality. This is love and compassion at it's best.
But what this has proven so far is that very few, if ANY, women have ever experienced this need and with that being the case it's virtually impossible for them to feel the same things a crossdresser does when he has the desire to dress. It's something that defies being explained to just about any GG and this is where the typical CD is at a loss to convey this need to his partner.
Am I making any sense here?
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and Curly (SO) said,"I have no desire to express myself as a male. I'm glad to be a woman!!!"
and Kay (SO) said,"But, I do know that I have no desire to emmulate, portray, dress like or feel like a man at any point."
Here are three SO's so far who admit that they have never felt masculine and have had no desire to feel that way or to emulate a male for any reason. The husbands or boyfriends of these three women are extremely blessed to have a woman who, although she has no idea as to what it feels like to want to emulate the oppossite gender, realize that it IS somethingthat's important to their men and is a most definite part of their overall personality. This is love and compassion at it's best.
But what this has proven so far is that very few, if ANY, women have ever experienced this need and with that being the case it's virtually impossible for them to feel the same things a crossdresser does when he has the desire to dress. It's something that defies being explained to just about any GG and this is where the typical CD is at a loss to convey this need to his partner.
Am I making any sense here?
Dixie -- http://www.geocities.com/senorita_cd
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Hey Dixie, (and everybody)
I like your poser, but here's something to consider:
Women (In my opinion) are better at expressing their emotions. And they have done just that. Sharon(SO) stated that she loves wearing jeans.(sorry, i'm not picking on you) If you look back far enough, there was a time when that was taboo. There was also a time when women didn't work outside the home. That too has come to pass. The equal rights movement is a perfect case point. Many women (again, my opinion) DO express their masculine side, it's just that society has already accepted it as "the norm". We see their boldness as a strength, not an expression of masculinity.
So i guess what i'm saying is that even though they may not consciously think they are desirous of being male, women are exhibiting quite a few macho traits.
Just my point of view... take it for what it's worth
Kyra
I like your poser, but here's something to consider:
Women (In my opinion) are better at expressing their emotions. And they have done just that. Sharon(SO) stated that she loves wearing jeans.(sorry, i'm not picking on you) If you look back far enough, there was a time when that was taboo. There was also a time when women didn't work outside the home. That too has come to pass. The equal rights movement is a perfect case point. Many women (again, my opinion) DO express their masculine side, it's just that society has already accepted it as "the norm". We see their boldness as a strength, not an expression of masculinity.
So i guess what i'm saying is that even though they may not consciously think they are desirous of being male, women are exhibiting quite a few macho traits.
Just my point of view... take it for what it's worth
Kyra
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Dixie,
I was raised in an all female household. Women did EVERYTHING. I do not believe in stereotypical gender roles because they are self-containing.
Women and men are capable of doing,feeling,wearing,going,and having anything they'd like but they have to allow themselves the greenlight to go ahead and embrace an idea.
We are Human Beings first.
Male or Female second.
I know of FTM CD's and they do not share the same concern as most MTF CD's in regards to their personal life .
The majority of FTM CD's tend to like female life partners.
I do not know of any women who consider themselves to be CD's and choose to remain with a male partner also.
If you are just talking about "tomboys" or Marlene Deitrich, Katherine Hepburn type of dressers or even "butch-type" looks, I know plenty of these types of women but none of them would be considered CD's for there lack of desire to try to identify as another gender.
And yes,
I have gone out in men's garb before and liked it and I could not give a hoot what anyone else thought (although I must admit that I prefer the tailored adaptation of men's clothes that are made for women because of my small size and womenly build).
The first few times I had done this,I was just a teen and I heard opposition from my friends, family and boyfriends because everyone prefered me to dress like a lady. I continued to dress just the way I wanted too whenever I felt like it because everyone has different moods and tastes when it comes to clothes.
I try to understand my SO and everything that my SO has gone through to get to this point in his life.
I try to have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who has the guts to just be themselves .
Dixie, you were right to think that most SO's were going to say that they have never had such feelings but I suppose there is one in every bunch....
and in this bunch, I guess it's me
respectfully,
Lefty
I was raised in an all female household. Women did EVERYTHING. I do not believe in stereotypical gender roles because they are self-containing.
Women and men are capable of doing,feeling,wearing,going,and having anything they'd like but they have to allow themselves the greenlight to go ahead and embrace an idea.
We are Human Beings first.
Male or Female second.
I know of FTM CD's and they do not share the same concern as most MTF CD's in regards to their personal life .
The majority of FTM CD's tend to like female life partners.
I do not know of any women who consider themselves to be CD's and choose to remain with a male partner also.
If you are just talking about "tomboys" or Marlene Deitrich, Katherine Hepburn type of dressers or even "butch-type" looks, I know plenty of these types of women but none of them would be considered CD's for there lack of desire to try to identify as another gender.
And yes,
I have gone out in men's garb before and liked it and I could not give a hoot what anyone else thought (although I must admit that I prefer the tailored adaptation of men's clothes that are made for women because of my small size and womenly build).
The first few times I had done this,I was just a teen and I heard opposition from my friends, family and boyfriends because everyone prefered me to dress like a lady. I continued to dress just the way I wanted too whenever I felt like it because everyone has different moods and tastes when it comes to clothes.
I try to understand my SO and everything that my SO has gone through to get to this point in his life.
I try to have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who has the guts to just be themselves .
Dixie, you were right to think that most SO's were going to say that they have never had such feelings but I suppose there is one in every bunch....
and in this bunch, I guess it's me
respectfully,
Lefty
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So what do you think? Is it impossible for most women to get a handle on what it FEELS like to be a crossdresser?
Is it possible for anyone to really get a handle on how anyone else feels? I think the best anyone can do is to try to understand and accept. There is no way anyone can really know how anyone else really feels. Some may have a pretty darn good idea how someone else feels but really know? I don't think so.
Another thing about this is GG's can openly experience and express any masquline trates they have and it is accepted as being feminine. For a male to express anything that is not masquline is taboo and not acceptable to most.
Girls can be Tom boys and to a lot of people that is even cute. Howerver, be a Nancy boy and it's a life time of looking for acceptance, understanding or in many casses a dark deep closet.
Is it possible for anyone to really get a handle on how anyone else feels? I think the best anyone can do is to try to understand and accept. There is no way anyone can really know how anyone else really feels. Some may have a pretty darn good idea how someone else feels but really know? I don't think so.
Another thing about this is GG's can openly experience and express any masquline trates they have and it is accepted as being feminine. For a male to express anything that is not masquline is taboo and not acceptable to most.
Girls can be Tom boys and to a lot of people that is even cute. Howerver, be a Nancy boy and it's a life time of looking for acceptance, understanding or in many casses a dark deep closet.
Nancy Elizabeth Lee
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All People are different so yes, I agree that the most two people can hope for in a relationship is understanding for one another.
I don't agree with what you are saying about women having total free range in expression.
Once again I think it is in comfort levels of the two people involved in the relationship.
(BTW...Great to hear from you again Nancy, you threw me off when you changed your avatar )
Lefty
I don't agree with what you are saying about women having total free range in expression.
Once again I think it is in comfort levels of the two people involved in the relationship.
(BTW...Great to hear from you again Nancy, you threw me off when you changed your avatar
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From my point of view I see women in the work place all day long doing jobs that were traditionally held by men even to the point where they dress in the same uniforms. The military comes to mind, road construction crews just to name two of those jobs. Even though the GG's are dressed and look like the guys they are still not considered TG or TS. However, if a male were to model Victoria Secret or other womens clothes or was dressing in a waitresses uniform as a server in a resturant, tell me it would be the same?
My wife is very feminine in eveything that she does and she would not dress in a mans suit because it is not feminine to her but when there was a news anchor woman on TV wearing a mans shirt tie and suit (and it was mens clothes not mens clothes cut for a woman) my wife said if that is what she wants to wear fine. Now I know if it had been a news anchor man in a dress or skirt and blouse and all even your news stations and papers would have carried the story.
Not all women feel the same about being feminine (and a big
for that) just like not all men feel the same about being masculine. So OK we all know that. It's just when I say that women have a greater level of acceptace no matter how they are dressed or present themselves its just the way I see it from this side of the fence.
My wife is very feminine in eveything that she does and she would not dress in a mans suit because it is not feminine to her but when there was a news anchor woman on TV wearing a mans shirt tie and suit (and it was mens clothes not mens clothes cut for a woman) my wife said if that is what she wants to wear fine. Now I know if it had been a news anchor man in a dress or skirt and blouse and all even your news stations and papers would have carried the story.
Not all women feel the same about being feminine (and a big
for that) just like not all men feel the same about being masculine. So OK we all know that. It's just when I say that women have a greater level of acceptace no matter how they are dressed or present themselves its just the way I see it from this side of the fence.Nancy Elizabeth Lee
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In the hospital people who are male nurses wear scrubs just like the female nurses because TIME (and a whole lot of struggling NOT to have to wear what men imposed on us for a very long period) has done away with sexist uniforms. Prisoners wear unisex uniforms also. Alot of food service industries have standard uniforms also. the military ,too. Contruction workers of both sexes have to follow a dress code for safety.
Women and men have both earned the right to hold jobs down that used to be primarily for one sex or another.
People are People are People
Primarily.
There is no difference between what a man can do and what a woman can do.
The only thing that holds a person back from what they want in life is themselves.
Do not wait for a TransGender revolution to be started by your neighbor.
This is your lifetime ( I don't mean you personally, Nancy..hee hee..I mean each of us as human beings )
We should all have the right to wear whatever we would like .
Something we can do about it as citizens is try to get the laws changed
to protect people's choices and safety in this matter.
Comfort is another story altogether.
If a person isn't comfortable because they are afraid of what OTHER people are going to think, then whether or not they want to dress in public is their choice even with the legal right to do so.
Women and men have both earned the right to hold jobs down that used to be primarily for one sex or another.
People are People are People
Primarily.
There is no difference between what a man can do and what a woman can do.
The only thing that holds a person back from what they want in life is themselves.
Do not wait for a TransGender revolution to be started by your neighbor.
This is your lifetime ( I don't mean you personally, Nancy..hee hee..I mean each of us as human beings
)We should all have the right to wear whatever we would like .
Something we can do about it as citizens is try to get the laws changed
to protect people's choices and safety in this matter.
Comfort is another story altogether.
If a person isn't comfortable because they are afraid of what OTHER people are going to think, then whether or not they want to dress in public is their choice even with the legal right to do so.
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Yaayyyy! EXACTLY!!!!leftyrainbow(SO) wrote:
There is no difference between what a man can do and what a woman can do.
The only thing that holds a person back from what they want in life is themselves.
Do not wait for a TransGender revolution to be started by your neighbor.
This is your lifetime.
Alexandra
